Best Swap weapons on WW Trav Horker

leox wrote: 1 day ago

justinman114 wrote: 1 day ago

TeleTabitha wrote: 1 day ago

It's jewelery heavy yeah, no griffons to be had. I'd "farm" those via TZ Bossruns anyways... Trav drops jewelery consistently. And charms. Lots and lots of charms.

I have found at least 2

Griffon's Eye in TZ Trav. Regular Trav maybe can't drop it but I usually hork TZ. It's not super common to find sick uniques in Trav, but it definitely happens.

I also do mf in tz trav too.
I have 2 different setup.

For regular trav, I do

Gold and target blue/rare. Because there are better place to find soj.
TZ trav,

Ist it up. but still only between 250-400 mf.

Mine has about 250mf normally, and over 500 on swap. I have some hybrid gear on for extra MF, like

War Traveler instead of

Gore Rider and a bunch of MF charms mixed in with my damage/ar/life charms.

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but I use dual Heart Carvers. +8 to

Find Potion and +8 to

Find Item. This drastically increases the odds you'll even get a horked drop. Buff your MF using other gear

To my knowledge the "absolute" synergy via

Find Potion only applies to hardpoints, and beginning at ~70% there are so strong diminishing returns for the skill itself that its a waste of points (or items providing the points).

2x Ali Baba with 2

Ist each

Stack at least ~1200-1300%

Gold find, and ~400-500 mf on swap when horking. It will be raining good items, and 300-500k

Gold each run. No need to stack

Find Item above 72-73%

Then make 95 lvl char, and gamble circlets each time you make 12.5kk

Gold.

Generally I think most ppl underappreciate

Gold find.

The good setup would be something like:

1. Wealth
2.

Immortal King's Will (

Cham +

Ist if possible; otherwise 2 x

Ist) -

Cham so you don't need

Raven Frost - you need to avoid cold damage
3.

Dwarf Star x 2
4.

Goldwrap
5.

Chance Guards
6.

War Traveler

Inventory: stack

Gold fine, attack rating, damage charms

On the front: Grief +

Stormshield (with

Um) - use

Berserk to kill everything
On the Back: 2x Ali Baba (2

Ist each)
Pure profit.

Gambling is just so boring, even more so if you go for rings (buy-delay on each ring) or tiaras instead of circlets for the chance of the occasional

Diadem...

first, mf is not important at all in rotw, especially after warlock hook. 1 hour in that period will need you run 15 hour tz trav.

let's start discuss not so important mf. please focus on have fun, casually play.

mf table
https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo_2_Resur ... _are_real/

I use max possible case here which usually not going to happen.
170 532 setup A
190 792 setup B

Assume you can swap weapon to achieve this, trav usually consider as two phase, 1 is killing phase which will also drop, people will need to think about kill speed vs mf, 2 phase is only think about mf or gf in hook.

setup A will have good kill speed but lower mf, in this comparison, setup A win because of performance always beat tiny 20 real mf which only about 10% increase but the other makes you run more with 20-40% performance increase.

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heart craver vs ali baba

240 GF
96 mf
1 socket

Ist

vs
2 % chance

16-20 real mf, around 10-13% mf increase +

Gold

2% x (3 item, very low chance of rune, ok chance of

Ruby)~ 6% more item ,1/10

Ral value x 6%, 1/5

Ruby worth gem

in normal case, it will be very hard for heart craver to win but consider of rotw market value, in rotw, heart craver surely win in non tz trav and it win only tiny.

heart craver will increase skill

Find Item(+4) around 2% for bar. in LoD, heart craver lose for sure. rotw, hard to say, I guess heart craver win.

Every thing in above is tiny difference, you can offset it by run 1 more trav.

leox wrote: 1 day ago

charms-> mf not affect drop

It increases the odds for

Gheed's and for sunder charms (if you are running TZ), so totally worth it.

vued wrote: 14 hours ago

leox wrote: 1 day ago

charms-> mf not affect drop

It increases the odds for

Gheed's and for sunder charms (if you are running TZ), so totally worth it.

you are correct about this, rotw, this is new and worth it , maybe
lod, no, magic charm better

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To max performance in non tz trav,
you have to use calculator,
make sure your goal, 4 hit kill or 5 hit kill, it is very different. if your damage float between 3 hit and 4 hit, it is 4 hit kill. The adjustment is long , boring tuning, you need use token to adjust str , skill, adjust +1 max attack charm, mf , gf....

and in rotw, if you arent so look for perfect, mf isnt that important, even if you run tz trav, it is still nothing.

2 Ali if you like running around with red cricket bats.

If you can afford style, 2x 6x

Ist/

Lem in whatever you fancy.

Dual war axes look fitting

I have other char focus on mf.

my bar is just for

Gold and jmod

Monarch or 4 socket armor.

2x baba with around 400 mf, full of

Lem

I am in old world LoD , heart craver does not work in old market but it surely work in rotw due to previously massive hork, they ignore pgm pick only good items.

TheEmotifNinja wrote: 20 hours ago

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but I use dual Heart Carvers. +8 to

Find Potion and +8 to

Find Item. This drastically increases the odds you'll even get a horked drop. Buff your MF using other gear

dual Heart Carvers

You need to find what is best for skills.(adjustment is needed, adjust mf to find your target, non tz blue rare, tz balance between chance and mf)

Find Item +8 is around 3% ~3.5%

I guess it makes you get more 1/10

Ral per hook.

besides, grand charm (warcry + gf) also help , it may further boost it to 5 % chance to find items if you fill up inventory with warcry gc.

I didnt think of play this way...

I tried dual

Heart Carver for a while but now I do dual Ali baba with 4

Lem runes

dual carver +
bar

Helm+3 warcry+3 all skill +2/1
warcry x 8 , ann torch

you can get around 8% more item find, around 78%

This give you more runes , more

Perfect Gems but less

Gold, less uniques.

in rotw, it works.

dual ali + 4

Lem is best for short - mid - (early-mid long run).

Because you only invest 4

Lem , means you can get back what you pay for it quickly.
if run long enough, eventually 6os x something can beat up.

rotw, best is in either dual carver or 6os something, maybe someone can break it down detail calculate. I dont know which win.

So there is no consensus on the exact math of which wins in what area? I guess it depends on MF vs GF and how slow you are comfortable going.

I think

Gold is not so important, and I'd do it for the runes, and occasional unique. I find enough

Gold with my

Nova sorc - more than I know what to do with.

MysticRanger200 wrote: 7 hours ago

So there is no consensus on the exact math of which wins in what area? I guess it depends on MF vs GF and how slow you are comfortable going.

I think

Gold is not so important, and I'd do it for the runes, and occasional unique. I find enough

Gold with my

Nova sorc - more than I know what to do with.

in rotw, I think you are absolute correct.

Gold is only 1/3 of value or less vs LoD.

If develop things on this thinking,
I think you need to build up "chances" first, chance to

Find Item, jewel, runes, pgm. I am not quite sure chance is first gate to trigger gem / rune/ item drop.
if it is, then it is most important thing.

bar White

Helm 3 os 3

Find Item, 3

War Cry, build Delirium+2 or Coven+1 and so on...


So there is no consensus on the exact math of which wins in what area?
chance vs mf , it is very hard to say because you increase chance, your mf drop. mf only give you unique, chance give you runes. and both mf chance margin drop if you have higher mf chances.


all those is very small thing, you just need to play 1 extra trav, it is equal to you run 20 trav with best setup

TheEmotifNinja wrote: 20 hours ago

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but I use dual Heart Carvers. +8 to

Find Potion and +8 to

Find Item. This drastically increases the odds you'll even get a horked drop. Buff your MF using other gear

What does this bring your hork chance up to? I am at 71% with Ali Babas, I can't imagine it's much more than 75% or so.

justinman114 wrote: 1 hour ago

TheEmotifNinja wrote: 20 hours ago

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but I use dual Heart Carvers. +8 to

Find Potion and +8 to

Find Item. This drastically increases the odds you'll even get a horked drop. Buff your MF using other gear

What does this bring your hork chance up to? I am at 71% with Ali Babas, I can't imagine it's much more than 75% or so.

I rebuild my bar because of this series of discussion.
now I am at 74% dual ali baba.

with

Heart Carver x 2, it can reach 76 or 77 with cost of real mf 25. (300 mf vs 6

Ist

Crystal Sword) 3 % chance vs 195->170 real mf
If I replace g charms and

Helm, it will add another 3 to 79 - 80% chance

about wp change, it is 10% real mf down vs 3% chance up , chance will add runes gems drop.

it depends on how much you think 1 drop of unique worth. if it is 1

Perfect Gems, then it is 0.1

Perfect Gems vs 0.03

Perfect Gems + rune + regular gems
I think it is quite close. for rune collector, heart craver might good.

(it is like can you get 1 soj in 50-100 trav run? yes->1

Perfect Gems unique worth , no->less than 1

Perfect Gems)