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What fuels the online item economy?

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TL:DR

Context: I've only ever played Diablo 2 as Solo Self Found. I want help understanding BNET item economy.

Question: are bots integral to online economy?

Full:

Not counting original D2:LoD, I've played for a bit more than 1.5 years of resurrected upon release. Now RotW got me back to the game (I'm addicted, help!)

Playing SSF means you won't be able to acquire the items you desire through trading, which means you have to adapt to what you drop. That, for me, is one of it's charms.
Yeah, you can open any guide and look at the Best-In-Slot Items, but most of the time you won't have all of it. And when you finally drop one of them, it is a great feeling. You literally scream!
When RotW, you can only imagine how happy I was of being a hoarder and have a random +4 all skills

Arioc's Needle in my stash! Almost became

Charsi Food!

In this 1.5+ years of playing (which mostly consisted of end-game farming) I've even managed to find some great, highly coveted end-game unique, not even including set items. Just to mention some highlights:

Now, the highest rune I've ever dropped was an

Mal. Not even an

Ist! After countless Countess runs.

I know RNG is a fickle beast. Yet, the difference in Unique drops vs High-rune drops is very significant.
Yes, some people just get lucky and drop like a

Ber and a

Jah in the same session. I know some people do literal tens of thousands of runs.

But realistically, how often does that happen? When that happen that person is very likely to post it somewhere (canonically, here

). Like @seras that dropped an Perf

Eth

Arioc's Needle 2h ago! (Congrats!)

But that's just the people that get lucky beeing "vocal" about it. So we might have a bias to think "look at the amount of people getting nice stuff, those must drop somewhat reasonably frequently for someone who plays a lot".

The amount of High-runes present in the online market seens very odd to me as a SSF player. The amount of people that have Enigma, Infinity, BotD, etc seems way too high, even if those Runewords are still somewhat rare. I've seen people complete their Runeword Chronicle online (or at least claiming to). And RotW wasn't out for even a month! Last Wish alone uses 6 high runes.

I do visit diablo2.io a lot an read a lot of the item pages, so out of curiosity I keep an eye on the sales histories.

Just to point some things that caught my attention:

A Perf
Eth
Arioc's Needle beeing sold for 8
Jah runes. Yes, it is literally the most powerful weapon for the current most powerful build but still...Who have 8
Jah runes?? If I drop a single one in my lifetime playing the game I'll consider myself lucky.
People are paying
Ber,
Jah and
Zod (!) runes for 3x3 Keysets! In one week I've farmed like 3 entire 3x3 keysets. And I didn't even try that hard.
3
Jah and 1
Lo for a
Griffon's Eye
10
Perfect Gems for a
Titan's Revenge
1
Jah for a Perfect
Visceratuant / 1
Ber for a Perfect
Visceratuant. I know perfects are rares, but it is only a Enhanced Defense difference (which is probably minor from a almost perfect one) for a very niche shield.
2
Perfect Gems for a
Nagelring. Yeah, I did drop some good 4 or 5 of those. But still, 2 PGems...
Eschuta's Temper for 15
Perfect Gems! Another for 27
Junk Jewels. Must have been bad rolls, but even then...

I was impressed at how many nice itens you can buy sometimes even with just

Perfect Gems! I mean, PGems are one of the most linear and consistent drops. And even when trading items for runes, the amount of High Runes flying around seems to high.

Again, there will be the lucky people that drop 2 high-runes in a row. There are the Youtubers that play hours per day as their job. But when you take into account the rareness of those runes, I still feel like there are way more of those runes around that it should be, especially assuming that a lot of people will not ever see more than a couple of drops in their whole time with the game.

I've got really curious about it.

So I've read about D2 bots since back in the day. Pindlebots, real-money trading bot-powered websites and all kinds of stuff. Are bots still a thing? Do they contribute to the items availability in online play? Does my impression as an SSF player of online play makes sense?

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crocorinho `482`

2 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Arioc's Needle in my stash! Almost became

Now, the highest rune I've ever dropped was an

Mal. Not even an

Ist! After countless Countess runs.

I know RNG is a fickle beast. Yet, the difference in Unique drops vs High-rune drops is very significant.
Yes, some people just get lucky and drop like a

Ber and a

). Like @seras that dropped an Perf

Eth

A Perf
Eth
Arioc's Needle beeing sold for 8
Jah runes. Yes, it is literally the most powerful weapon for the current most powerful build but still...Who have 8
Jah runes?? If I drop a single one in my lifetime playing the game I'll consider myself lucky.
People are paying
Ber,
Jah and
Zod (!) runes for 3x3 Keysets! In one week I've farmed like 3 entire 3x3 keysets. And I didn't even try that hard.
3
Jah and 1
Lo for a
Griffon's Eye
10
Perfect Gems for a
Titan's Revenge
1
Jah for a Perfect
Visceratuant / 1
Ber for a Perfect
Visceratuant. I know perfects are rares, but it is only a Enhanced Defense difference (which is probably minor from a almost perfect one) for a very niche shield.
2
Perfect Gems for a
Nagelring. Yeah, I did drop some good 4 or 5 of those. But still, 2 PGems...
Eschuta's Temper for 15
Perfect Gems! Another for 27
Junk Jewels. Must have been bad rolls, but even then...

I was impressed at how many nice itens you can buy sometimes even with just

Queegon `882`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

It's 4 years and counting of Wealth, from both bots and players, in one non-ladder game.

The inflation is real.

If you want "real" values, try ladder. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone who has more than one

Jah to rub together, let alone one

Jah/

Ber at all.

Can trade on LoD, RotW, and Ladder/Non-Ladder

hyeonsestoast `57`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

I think another part is that the value of items differs drastically from one person to another. A perfect

Griffon's Eye might be worth multiple

Jah runes for some, but it is worth -4 inventory spaces if I don't plan on playing a lightning-based character. Someone's

Soul Drainer might be a burden on their mule but it's worth all the

Ist runes I have. I have no need for a 20/20 Jav torch, so I will sell it for as low as a few mid runes if nobody wants to call its "true" price.

This discrepancy in value "generates" a lot of the Wealth in ladder trade, I think.

TimeSlayer `90`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

3/20/20 dmg/ar/life small charms sell for something like 20+

Jah lol

RotW ONLY
Open to offers of

Mal & Keys
I accept

Hel in place of gems (NL only)
Check out all my other stuff, I'll give you a deal on multiple items
diablo2.io/member/TimeSlayer/

M1ck `573`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

The current craze will die down and prices on non ladder will slowly drop again. Peak has already passed. There will be masses of items coming to non ladder from this season due to increased amount of players. Plus who knows what will change going forward - I hope the Latent Sunder drop rate.

Non ladder what is it over four years of accumulated items (included everything from the past ladder seasons) no wonder it's cooked.

Ladder prices look good if you are only looking at them from a rune perspective. The prices are all set elsewhere and everywhere else follows.

Queegon `882`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

TimeSlayer wrote: 1 hour ago
3/20/20 dmg/ar/life small charms sell for something like 20+
Jah lol

I remember it being like 120

Jah a year ago. Or something crazy like that. Worth maybe half of it now, based on offers here? Guess runes disappeared or people tried offloading all their 32020s all at once and flooded the "market".

Can trade on LoD, RotW, and Ladder/Non-Ladder

Knappogue `2719`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

Queegon wrote: 1 hour ago

TimeSlayer wrote: 1 hour ago
3/20/20 dmg/ar/life small charms sell for something like 20+
Jah lol
I remember it being like 120
Jah a year ago. Or something crazy like that. Worth maybe half of it now, based on offers here? Guess runes disappeared or people tried offloading all their 32020s all at once and flooded the "market".

20/5s have taken a massive hit too

Will accept any 2 Keys when my asking price is an

Ist.

M1ck `573`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

Only taken a hit in terms of the amount of

Jah that they are worth. Reason is that the value of

Jah has increased.

Actual value has not really decreased that much if you look at what you can buy or trade with them.

TimeSlayer `90`

57 minutes ago (pre-Resurrected)

Queegon wrote: 1 hour ago

TimeSlayer wrote: 1 hour ago
3/20/20 dmg/ar/life small charms sell for something like 20+
Jah lol
I remember it being like 120
Jah a year ago. Or something crazy like that. Worth maybe half of it now, based on offers here? Guess runes disappeared or people tried offloading all their 32020s all at once and flooded the "market".

dood thats craaaaaaaazy lmao fuk that

RotW ONLY
Open to offers of

Mal & Keys
I accept

Hel in place of gems (NL only)
Check out all my other stuff, I'll give you a deal on multiple items
diablo2.io/member/TimeSlayer/

mhlg `2770`

53 minutes ago (pre-Resurrected)

crocorinho wrote: 2 hours ago
TL:DR

Context: I've only ever played Diablo 2 as Solo Self Found. I want help understanding BNET item economy.

Question: are bots integral to online economy?

Full:

Not counting original D2:LoD, I've played for a bit more than 1.5 years of resurrected upon release. Now RotW got me back to the game (I'm addicted, help!)

Playing SSF means you won't be able to acquire the items you desire through trading, which means you have to adapt to what you drop. That, for me, is one of it's charms.
Yeah, you can open any guide and look at the Best-In-Slot Items, but most of the time you won't have all of it. And when you finally drop one of them, it is a great feeling. You literally scream!
When RotW, you can only imagine how happy I was of being a hoarder and have a random +4 all skills
Arioc's Needle in my stash! Almost became
Charsi Food!

In this 1.5+ years of playing (which mostly consisted of end-game farming) I've even managed to find some great, highly coveted end-game unique, not even including set items. Just to mention some highlights:

Griffon's Eye

Raven Frost

War Traveler

Dracul's Grasp

Mara's Kaleidoscope

Nosferatu's Coil

Verdungo's Hearty Cord

Gheed's Wager

Homunculus

Titan's Revenge

Thunderstroke

Lacerator

Skin of the Vipermagi

Harlequin Crest

Kira's Guardian

Andariel's Visage

Latent Cold Rupture

Gheed's Fortune

The Reaper's Toll

Eschuta's Temper

Now, the highest rune I've ever dropped was an
Mal. Not even an
Ist! After countless Countess runs.

I know RNG is a fickle beast. Yet, the difference in Unique drops vs High-rune drops is very significant.
Yes, some people just get lucky and drop like a
Ber and a
Jah in the same session. I know some people do literal tens of thousands of runs.

But realistically, how often does that happen? When that happen that person is very likely to post it somewhere (canonically, here ). Like @seras that dropped an Perf
Eth
Arioc's Needle 2h ago! (Congrats!)

But that's just the people that get lucky beeing "vocal" about it. So we might have a bias to think "look at the amount of people getting nice stuff, those must drop somewhat reasonably frequently for someone who plays a lot".

The amount of High-runes present in the online market seens very odd to me as a SSF player. The amount of people that have Enigma, Infinity, BotD, etc seems way too high, even if those Runewords are still somewhat rare. I've seen people complete their Runeword Chronicle online (or at least claiming to). And RotW wasn't out for even a month! Last Wish alone uses 6 high runes.

I do visit diablo2.io a lot an read a lot of the item pages, so out of curiosity I keep an eye on the sales histories.

Just to point some things that caught my attention:

A Perf
Eth
Arioc's Needle beeing sold for 8
Jah runes. Yes, it is literally the most powerful weapon for the current most powerful build but still...Who have 8
Jah runes?? If I drop a single one in my lifetime playing the game I'll consider myself lucky.

People are paying
Ber,
Jah and
Zod (!) runes for 3x3 Keysets! In one week I've farmed like 3 entire 3x3 keysets. And I didn't even try that hard.

3
Jah and 1
Lo for a
Griffon's Eye

10
Perfect Gems for a
Titan's Revenge

1
Jah for a Perfect
Visceratuant / 1
Ber for a Perfect
Visceratuant. I know perfects are rares, but it is only a Enhanced Defense difference (which is probably minor from a almost perfect one) for a very niche shield.

2
Perfect Gems for a
Nagelring. Yeah, I did drop some good 4 or 5 of those. But still, 2 PGems...

Eschuta's Temper for 15
Perfect Gems! Another for 27
Junk Jewels. Must have been bad rolls, but even then...

I was impressed at how many nice itens you can buy sometimes even with just
Perfect Gems! I mean, PGems are one of the most linear and consistent drops. And even when trading items for runes, the amount of High Runes flying around seems to high.

Again, there will be the lucky people that drop 2 high-runes in a row. There are the Youtubers that play hours per day as their job. But when you take into account the rareness of those runes, I still feel like there are way more of those runes around that it should be, especially assuming that a lot of people will not ever see more than a couple of drops in their whole time with the game.

I've got really curious about it.

So I've read about D2 bots since back in the day. Pindlebots, real-money trading bot-powered websites and all kinds of stuff. Are bots still a thing? Do they contribute to the items availability in online play? Does my impression as an SSF player of online play makes sense?

What fuels the online item economy?

Greed!

seras `43`

37 minutes ago (pre-Resurrected)

Hehe, that i get a rare & perfectly rolled item literally never happens. 99,9% of the time the game is making fun of me ( like rolling +1 in a Faith GMT) - which is why i was quite happy to post the Arioc's.
I'm also SSF bnet player, but trade very rarely for some stuff - or during ladders to get my Enigma.
I didn't have a high rune drop in weeks, even though i played a lot more than usual, so its the same for me when i look at the market.
Its still the bots in p8 games or chest runs that find most of the runes & good stuff. In the 2000s people already used pindle bots 24/7 with multiple cd keys & virtual machines, so i guess with these day's hardware & easily accessible servers / ips they have a lot more sessions running and are way more effective.