Do Ya'll really have 20+ jah's?

Ronin777 wrote: 10 hours ago

Ea2024 wrote: 20 hours ago

If you think that's poor, you should see my miserable rune stash. I'm still hanging on to

El's, eventually I'll cube enough to get a

Ral.

Dude, never keep

El to

Ith.

Tal is pretty much the first rune that has any trade value, anything below that you need, you can farm from countess normal if you need one for a runeword. Otherwise not worth it since upgrading is 3:1 ratio. YOu need over 700 Els to get 1

Tal and that is worth what 1/25-1/30th of an

Ist?

That was a bit of hyperbole. I'm not keeping every low rune to cube all 36 bajillion

El's to a

Zod. I still pick them up because I can remember a time when seeing a

Sol drop was a big deal.

20? i've literally yet to see 1 (and i've been playing since release back in 1999-2000).... lol a bajillion.... altho you're not far wrong. Apparently to cube an

El-->

Zod is a googleplex (takes more space than is available in the entire game, and assuming you had the space for them all will take more than a human lifespan to complete.

3^20

El = 3 486 784 401

El to get a

Pul
2^12

Pul = 4096

Pul to get a

Zod
14 281 868 906 496

El to get a

Zod
(if I'm not wrong)

leox wrote: 9 hours ago

I remember someone will buy 30 - 50

El with

Ist.

very low tier rune have value, it is more than flawless gems that you need 3 to get 1 perfect and 60 to 20

Perfect Gems.

Think about that, low runes are slightly better than flawless gems . worth pick up

I sell flawless at 20:1 at worst and 12:1 at best, and Ame is 8:1. All of them are better than 30-50:1. And unlike Flawless, runes clutter alot since there's like 20 low value runes before you get to things like

Um,

Mal,

Ist where they are worth the space they take. I dont consider hording half a stash tab for 1

Ist item, good value. And until you get 3 of one rune, you cant upgrade to reduce clutter. I only gather flawed+ which is like 3 interim items before Perfect, and even that is too much clutter for me.

RackAnewShoe wrote: 9 hours ago

That was a bit of hyperbole. I'm not keeping every low rune to cube all 36 bajillion

El's to a

Zod. I still pick them up because I can remember a time when seeing a

Sol drop was a big deal.

Well,

Sol has value. I have a low rune char where i keep

Tal to

Lem because those you can realistically get 20:1 at lowest which is at PGem territory, though if i was actually 100

Jah rich i'd skip all runes below

Pul except those i'd use regularly like

Ral.

Ronin777 wrote: 7 hours ago

leox wrote: 9 hours ago

I remember someone will buy 30 - 50

El with

Ist.

very low tier rune have value, it is more than flawless gems that you need 3 to get 1 perfect and 60 to 20

Perfect Gems.

Think about that, low runes are slightly better than flawless gems . worth pick up

I sell flawless at 20:1 at worst and 12:1 at best, and Ame is 8:1. All of them are better than 30-50:1. And unlike Flawless, runes clutter alot since there's like 20 low value runes before you get to things like

Um,

Mal,

Ist where they are worth the space they take. I dont consider hording half a stash tab for 1

Ist item, good value. And until you get 3 of one rune, you cant upgrade to reduce clutter. I only gather flawed+ which is like 3 interim items before Perfect, and even that is too much clutter for me.

hi, flawless is 1 layer before

Perfect Gems. You need to cube them to make it become

Perfect Gems.
My point is it is 0.33

Perfect Gems per pick up vs low runes 0.5

Perfect Gems per pick.

And I understand your worry that you are thinking about space. That make sense. it is like you store whole char of

Perfect Gems.
Some people doesnt like that.

Darth_Craig wrote: 21 hours ago

Good morning diablo 2 brethren.
I am legitimately curious about the trade economy - i see in forums all the time "bro, thats GG, easily 10+

Jah".
This begs the question - is this just a reference point to illustrate an item's value relative to something people associate with high value? Or, do big time players literally just walk around with a box full of

Jah's?

Good morning to you, too

Concerning your question, you might also be interested to check the thread "A question to the filthy rich"

leox wrote: 5 hours ago

hi, flawless is 1 layer before

Perfect Gems. You need to cube them to make it become

Perfect Gems.
My point is it is 0.33

Perfect Gems per pick up vs low runes 0.5

Perfect Gems per pick.

And I understand your worry that you are thinking about space. That make sense. it is like you store whole char of

Perfect Gems.
Some people doesnt like that.

Yea i got 2 chars, one for Ame, one for All gems. Mules are mandatory when we cant buy stash tabs like PoE unfortunately.

There's also the problem of finding people to trade. I dont know how its like on ladder but in non-ladder, i dont think ive ever met a guy who buys Els. Occasionally you'll find someone who wants Tals or Rals, but PGems are very quick trades. I dont have to waste hours trying to find one low trade for obscure rune trade, while i could easily trade PGems, and spend the rest of the time selling high rune trades like bases and uniques. I guess if you are very very poor, i mean if even 1

Ist is very valuable to you, this might be an option, then again, i think gathering Keys and Gems(i think

Chaos Sanctuary is great for that) is still more efficient for getting Wealth.

You can find bulk trades for basically any low rune on trading sites, so it’s possible to both sell and buy, but sure, it might not be so easy to find anyone to trade with in-game.

Not long ago I traded 20

El for a

Vex I sell nearly all my low runes in bundles of 20-60 at traderie.

Do I have some high runes and gg stuff? Yes.

Do I have 200

Jah runes? No.

This is not the wealth I'm striving for.

I have 20 heroes, each of them has been played from act 1 normal to act 5 hell with selffound items only. I would never delete one of them, because every hero/heroine has his/her own story. I know the game by heart, I mostly play non-meta builds, I seek for a challenge and friendly, chilled people to play with cooperatively or just roam around solo and see what will happen. Those ridiculous runs in which all people rush like crazy isn't for me. In my view, those guys are missing a lot while reducing this game to bare numbers.

Life can't be planned, life wants to be lived.

Many of my heroes are themed builds: I have a fire-based Necromancer (

Fire Golem,

Enchant-Ironwolf), a pure Armymancer, a Natalya's Odium Bladesin, a

Charge/

Zeal hybrid Paladin wielding a huge two-handed sword, a pure support Singer-Barb (level 50 Bo, yay), a Zoo-Druid (Rogue merc for the win!) and my beloved

Blaze-

Demon Machine-Enchantress, a build that I've never seen anywhere else.

Of course I have a

Nova-Sorc, a Javazon and a Hammerdin, but I don't play them very often, it's just too boring.

I would never use item shops and I don't care if a

Jah rune is worth less than a dollar. Every self-found rune has personal, emotional value to me. And yes, those things drop, just play the game and it will happen. I found dozens of high runes during my Diablo career. Same is for trading. I don't trade much, just selling a good item here and there for some additional runes. Having gathered enough

Ist runes for another high rune is very rewarding to me.

I only use selffound bases for my runewords, because the thrill of getting an exceptionally bad or good roll is part of the game. The game offers many options to improve equipment: Gambling, crafting, farming, socketing.

I'm proud to say that 99% of my stuff is selffound and selfmade.

Next ladder my wife and me are planning to start with two extraordinary sub-par builds: Fendzone (me) and Zoo-Druid (her). This will be challenging and fun! It will take several weeks for us to reach

Baal on hell, but the experience we will gain, the stories we will encounter on our way, the obstacles waiting to be overcome and the final triumph of winning this hard game without rushing or other people's help are priceless.

In my view, I am rich.