Doom vs Deaths fathom

Hi, I am currenctly looking to make a blizzard sorc and am not sure which weapon to use. Either Doom or

Death's Fathom. Can someone explain to me the difference in damage output of Doom and

Death's Fathom?

Death's Fathom is stronger vs non-immunes, since your

Cold Mastery will be enough on its own to bring them to -100% resistance (or close to it anyway).

Doom is stronger vs immune (sundered) enemies, since

Cold Mastery only works at 1/5 effect vs them, Doom's -res makes the difference.

Though I'm not sure in the end what is better - probably depends on where you farm the most. If you avoid areas with lots of cold immunes, go

Death's Fathom. If you like to farm in places with lots of cold immunes or just want to not have to care so much, might want to at least try out Doom and see how it feels. You could also opt to have both (in separate weapon swaps), if you're willing to forgo having a Call To Arms, and swap between them as necessary.

I see, thank you for the explanation. Weapon swap is indeed an option to keep in mind

ShadowHeart wrote: 2 days ago

Though I'm not sure in the end what is better - probably depends on where you farm the most. If you avoid areas with lots of cold immunes, go

Death's Fathom. If you like to farm in places with lots of cold immunes or just want to not have to care so much, might want to at least try out Doom and see how it feels.

This.

Doom is the more balanced setup. Most of my heroes are allrounders, who are able to farm any area, so I went for this one. And I like the

Holy Freeze aura on a Sorc.

But most Blizz Sorcs I encounter online are wearing

Death's Fathom. Due to the fact that 80% of monsters are not cold immune, DF deals more damage at the end of the day.

Death's Fathom gives much more damage in general. I didn't compare in maxroll yet. But Doom only worths if you want much to farm places with cold immunes, wielding

Cold Rupture of course. Because the resistance reduction from

Cold Mastery and Doom doesn't work in immunes. And it's not common

Conviction aura from Infinity break cold immunities. Now with recent patches, there are more options for a cold based damage farm besides

Ancient Tunnels, such as stony tomb,

Arachnid Lair or swampy pit if you feel comfortable.

I heard that with stack up -cold res, the only place where Doom shines are

Baal runs, mainly bosses. Everywhere else you do so much damage that

Death's Fathom is good anyway.

Thanks, I think I just go for Doom for more allround build. Don´t want to stumble on cold immune mobs

If you are mostly playing alone or with 2-3 further players I would consider using

The Oculus. You can reach 105 FCR without the need to have FCR on your rings or amulet (I use two

The Stone of Jordan and a

Mara's Kaleidoscope) and with an

Ist rune you get a great MF boost. I have a nearly perfect

Nightwing's Veil with a perfect

Rainbow Facet: Cold Death. But on SP I only wear a

Harlequin Crest with a

Perfect Topaz because my Sorc melts everything in no time anyway (I have my Cold Skills +

Cold Mastery on lvl 44 without CTA).

But of course, it depends on your playstyle. I spam

Glacial Spike or

Ice Blast while my Blizzard is on cooldown and here 105 FCR is quite helpful.

oOKIWIOo wrote: 1 day ago

If you are mostly playing alone or with 2-3 further players I would consider using

The Oculus. You can reach 105 FCR without the need to have FCR on your rings or amulet (I use two

The Stone of Jordan and a

Mara's Kaleidoscope) and with an

Ist rune you get a great MF boost. I have a nearly perfect

Nightwing's Veil with a perfect

Rainbow Facet: Cold Death. But on SP I only wear a

Harlequin Crest with a

Perfect Topaz because my Sorc melts everything in no time anyway (I have my Cold Skills +

Cold Mastery on lvl 44 without CTA).

But of course, it depends on your playstyle. I spam

Glacial Spike or

Ice Bolt while my Blizzard is on cooldown and here 105 FCR is quite helpful.

I would agree with this except when I used

The Oculus in multiple occasions it was more than pain in the ass just and solely because of random TPs you are constantly getting with it. I think that was the only thing that was not only annoying me very much, but actually got me killed couple of times "out of nowhere". I always ended up using Tal's set as a budget option and if you are playing on lower players count you are more than fine. Cold Sorc is definitely one of those meta builds that can literally run around naked and be completely fine, especially after lvl 75 (just strap that sweet cold Sunder and you are all set).

Don't forget that you only need lvl 36

Cold Mastery to achieve max -Cres, anything above that is wasted...

But yes, DF is almost always preferred in comparison to Doom because you can socket it with an

Ist

TheDoo wrote: 1 day ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 1 day ago

If you are mostly playing alone or with 2-3 further players I would consider using

The Oculus. You can reach 105 FCR without the need to have FCR on your rings or amulet (I use two

The Stone of Jordan and a

Mara's Kaleidoscope) and with an

Ist rune you get a great MF boost. I have a nearly perfect

Nightwing's Veil with a perfect

Rainbow Facet: Cold Death. But on SP I only wear a

Harlequin Crest with a

Perfect Topaz because my Sorc melts everything in no time anyway (I have my Cold Skills +

Cold Mastery on lvl 44 without CTA).

But of course, it depends on your playstyle. I spam

Glacial Spike or

Ice Bolt while my Blizzard is on cooldown and here 105 FCR is quite helpful.

I would agree with this except when I used

The Oculus in multiple occasions it was more than pain in the ass just and solely because of random TPs you are constantly getting with it. I think that was the only thing that was not only annoying me very much, but actually got me killed couple of times "out of nowhere". I always ended up using Tal's set as a budget option and if you are playing on lower players count you are more than fine. Cold Sorc is definitely one of those meta builds that can literally run around naked and be completely fine, especially after lvl 75 (just strap that sweet cold Sunder and you are all set).

Don't forget that you only need lvl 36

Cold Mastery to achieve max -Cres, anything above that is wasted...

But yes, DF is almost always preferred in comparison to Doom because you can socket it with an

Ist

Funnily I never had problems with the TP on

The Oculus. It only very rarely procs and I never died from it - it maybe even have saved me in one or two occasions.

I maxed

Cold Mastery because I had no further use for the skill points and as far as I have uderstood it, since the nerv of CM it does have at least a little effect when maxed. But I am not sure this is really the case. Maybe some "numbercruncher" can enlighten me on this

If you use

Cold Rupture,

Cold Mastery has no max value in practice... as each extra point is another -1 cold resist against sundered
L48 will give -51 cold resist to sundered (255/5)
L36 will give -39 cold resist to sundered (195/5)

fredkid wrote: 1 day ago

If you use

Cold Rupture,

Cold Mastery has no max value in practice... as each extra point is another -1 cold resist against sundered
L48 will give -51 cold resist to sundered (255/5)
L36 will give -39 cold resist to sundered (195/5)

Yup... Also L36 vs max res non-immune monster(s) is enough for monster(s) to get -100 cold res as I understood when I watched some YT vids long time ago.

I'm not saying it's completely wasted, but if you are going for the FO + Blizzard combo then you want to max both and all synergies (which you can't possibly achieve with also high/max CM; +1 point wonders: tp, tk, FA, static,

Warmth). I usually play with just FO so I also dgaf about extra points, Blizzard being there for some very special cases usually doing it's job even without max synergies and lower +all skills equipment.

Yeah, I don't know. People praised

The Oculus so much, I tried over and over again playing with it, gave it sooo many tries and chances and even deaths didn't repel me from using it, just the pure annoyance of tp-ing unintentionally. However, that doesn't mean it's useless or won't suit anyone. Again, it's just my own experience, so I ended up selling/giving away all of my Oculuses hehe

TheDoo wrote: 22 hours ago

Yeah, I don't know. People praised

The Oculus so much, I tried over and over again playing with it, gave it sooo many tries and chances and even deaths didn't repel me from using it, just the pure annoyance of tp-ing unintentionally. However, that doesn't mean it's useless or won't suit anyone. Again, it's just my own experience, so I ended up selling/giving away all of my Oculuses hehe

Well, I wouldn´t "praise" it But I think it has a great price/performance ratio IF you can stand it It certainly is dividing the sorc player community and I totally understand if someone is not happy with it. Go for Doom or

Death's Fathom if you have mor fun with them