The other day, I purchased a 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe.
When I put in the runes to create an Infinity, it ended up with the exact same stats as my previous 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe. The odds of this happening purely by chance is 1 in 781.
My thinking is that if I bought two items duped from the same source, then they would have the same seed and therefore roll the same stats.
So do items have some sort of "seed"?
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The other day, I purchased a 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe.
When I put in the runes to create an Infinity, it ended up with the exact same stats as my previous 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe. The odds of this happening purely by chance is 1 in 781.
My thinking is that if I bought two items duped from the same source, then they would have the same seed and therefore roll the same stats.
So do items have some sort of "seed"?
When I put in the runes to create an Infinity, it ended up with the exact same stats as my previous 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe. The odds of this happening purely by chance is 1 in 781.
My thinking is that if I bought two items duped from the same source, then they would have the same seed and therefore roll the same stats.
So do items have some sort of "seed"?
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The real question is..who would bother duping a cryptic axe? 
But nah, even if it were a dupe, they don't inherently roll the same stats afterwards. If they did, you would've had nothing but "legit-roll-permed" perfect rolls in the olden days as everything was duped anyways so folks would've just duped a "perfect seed" instead. But nope, even within the same "duping session" you got different rolls out of the same stuff.
The same holds true today in that rolling a RW, then getting a random rollback and rolling it again with the same item, same runes, same everything will not yield the same rolls (except of course by pure dumb luck). Actually had that happen to me so I can tell you that with 100% certainty.
But nah, even if it were a dupe, they don't inherently roll the same stats afterwards. If they did, you would've had nothing but "legit-roll-permed" perfect rolls in the olden days as everything was duped anyways so folks would've just duped a "perfect seed" instead. But nope, even within the same "duping session" you got different rolls out of the same stuff.
The same holds true today in that rolling a RW, then getting a random rollback and rolling it again with the same item, same runes, same everything will not yield the same rolls (except of course by pure dumb luck). Actually had that happen to me so I can tell you that with 100% certainty.
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I'm guessing you didn't like the roll? A lot of people seem to constantly push for a perfect roll when sometimes good enough is all that's needed. I don't think there's a "seed" that affects the outcome, but I also don't know that as a fact either.Lanceor wrote: 8 months ago The other day, I purchased a 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe.
When I put in the runes to create an Infinity, it ended up with the exact same stats as my previous 4-socket ethereal Cryptic Axe. The odds of this happening purely by chance is 1 in 781.
My thinking is that if I bought two items duped from the same source, then they would have the same seed and therefore roll the same stats.
So do items have some sort of "seed"?
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A 1:781 chance doesn't mean it's impossible. It means that on average, every 781 times anyone reroll their base they'll wind up with the exact same rolls.
And Infinity is an extremely popular runeword to make. The runeword gets crafted likely hundreds of times every single day, so someone is bound to see back-to-back identical rolls.
And Infinity is an extremely popular runeword to make. The runeword gets crafted likely hundreds of times every single day, so someone is bound to see back-to-back identical rolls.
The roll was actually pretty good so I'm not displeased. It just very coincidental that the first two Infinities that I've ever rolled had identical stats.mhlg wrote: 8 months ago I'm guessing you didn't like the roll? ..... I don't think there's a "seed" that affects the outcome, but I also don't know that as a fact either.
I remember in a D2:LoD mod called Median, you could combine a certain quest drop in the Horadric Cube to create a powerful item. If you didn't like the rolled stats, restoring an earlier save wouldn't change the result. The only way to get another roll was to re-farm that quest drop.
That's another thing that suggested to me that items may have a hidden seed or ID.
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If items had a "seed", there would be no point in rerolling runewords on the same item, and Hel runes would have no value
In single player items definately have no seed.
I backuped a char, made a Spirit and used the backup to reroll with other stats.
I backuped a char, made a Spirit and used the backup to reroll with other stats.
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I've done something similar only it was CTA. Rolled two identical 6/6/4 with 272 ED, same base Crystal Sword. One after the other. I don't think the individual item has a seed, but the game does.Lanceor wrote: 8 months agoThe roll was actually pretty good so I'm not displeased. It just very coincidental that the first two Infinities that I've ever rolled had identical stats.mhlg wrote: 8 months ago I'm guessing you didn't like the roll? ..... I don't think there's a "seed" that affects the outcome, but I also don't know that as a fact either.
I remember in a D2:LoD mod called Median, you could combine a certain quest drop in the Horadric Cube to create a powerful item. If you didn't like the rolled stats, restoring an earlier save wouldn't change the result. The only way to get another roll was to re-farm that quest drop.
That's another thing that suggested to me that items may have a hidden seed or ID.
Glitch in the matrix ;0
Ginger has an interesting video about the game seed and predicting outcomes, it's for single player but interesting all the same. I think he's looking into the roll aspect at some point as well.
The real question is..who would bother duping a Cryptic Axe?
But nah, even if it were a dupe, they don't inherently roll the same stats afterwards. If they did, you would've had nothing but "legit-roll-permed" perfect rolls in the olden days as everything was duped anyways so folks would've just duped a "perfect seed" instead. But nope, even within the same "duping session" you got different rolls out of the same stuff.
The same holds true today in that rolling a RW, then getting a random rollback and rolling it again with the same item, same runes, same everything will not yield the same rolls (except of course by pure dumb luck). Actually had that happen to me so I can tell you that with 100% certainty.
This post was marked as the best answer.But nah, even if it were a dupe, they don't inherently roll the same stats afterwards. If they did, you would've had nothing but "legit-roll-permed" perfect rolls in the olden days as everything was duped anyways so folks would've just duped a "perfect seed" instead. But nope, even within the same "duping session" you got different rolls out of the same stuff.
The same holds true today in that rolling a RW, then getting a random rollback and rolling it again with the same item, same runes, same everything will not yield the same rolls (except of course by pure dumb luck). Actually had that happen to me so I can tell you that with 100% certainty.
Good point... why dupe a Cryptic Axe when you can dupe the completed runeword instead? I guess your rollback example conclusively proves that the roll on the runeword isn't deterministic based on some seed.Schnorki wrote: 8 months ago The real question is..who would bother duping a Cryptic Axe?
But nah, even if it were a dupe, they don't inherently roll the same stats afterwards. If they did, you would've had nothing but "legit-roll-permed" perfect rolls in the olden days as everything was duped anyways so folks would've just duped a "perfect seed" instead. But nope, even within the same "duping session" you got different rolls out of the same stuff.
The same holds true today in that rolling a RW, then getting a random rollback and rolling it again with the same item, same runes, same everything will not yield the same rolls (except of course by pure dumb luck). Actually had that happen to me so I can tell you that with 100% certainty.
Which means that my Infinity rolls were just freakishly coincidental!
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Someone did that and got ban hammered for duping enigmas soon after d2r was released (about 2 months after as I recall)Lanceor wrote: 8 months agoGood point... why dupe a Cryptic Axe when you can dupe the completed runeword instead? I guess your rollback example conclusively proves that the roll on the runeword isn't deterministic based on some seed.Schnorki wrote: 8 months ago The real question is..who would bother duping a Cryptic Axe?
But nah, even if it were a dupe, they don't inherently roll the same stats afterwards. If they did, you would've had nothing but "legit-roll-permed" perfect rolls in the olden days as everything was duped anyways so folks would've just duped a "perfect seed" instead. But nope, even within the same "duping session" you got different rolls out of the same stuff.
The same holds true today in that rolling a RW, then getting a random rollback and rolling it again with the same item, same runes, same everything will not yield the same rolls (except of course by pure dumb luck). Actually had that happen to me so I can tell you that with 100% certainty.
Which means that my Infinity rolls were just freakishly coincidental!
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