Enigma or CoH

Alright... I'm gearing up a frostmaiden and I've seen several guides and debates about which armor to use. I have the runes to make anything, I already have an Enigma that my necro is rocking but I have yet to make a coh.

Personally I think it will be worth it for the resists but that

Teleport and frw... it's a tough choice. Which one should I go for? I know Amazon cast frames are crap but it's a tough one for me

I can share my experience. In the years I've been playing, I've collected many enigmas all of which are being used by all of my characters and only 1 CoH which has not been touched in a very long time.

From personal experience I've found that FCR breakpoints are just too high for Amazon's. Teleporting is slow and painful so I boost their runwalk. I've made a couple Coh's for both Merc and personal use. I think I've made more Coh than Enigma's now that I think about it. It's really just play style too. I enjoy killing monsters as travel through Santuary. For me its not the destination, but the road to it. I don't do a whole lot of "farming", but when I do its usually my

Nova Sorc or hdin, both of which

Teleport.

Most ladder seasons, i do one Enigma for every Char that needs it (in other words, everyone except Sorc) and then only CoH. For the current season this means no Enigma on main Account (Blizz sorc and Horker with CoH) and one Enigma for my socket-rush account. Because the Sorc's Merc wears Cure, this sums up to 1 Enigma and 2 CoH build this season.

So my advice would be, do the CoH only if your thirst for Enigma is satisfied. And for that Frostmaiden i would definitely go Enigma because Tele makes some farming spots just suck less.

4 me:
bowazon coh/tm
barb fort
sorc donnt play
everybody else Enigma

Knappogue wrote: 10 months ago

From personal experience I've found that FCR breakpoints are just too high for Amazon's. Teleporting is slow and painful so I boost their runwalk. I've made a couple Coh's for both Merc and personal use. I think I've made more Coh than Enigma's now that I think about it. It's really just play style too. I enjoy killing monsters as travel through Santuary. For me its not the destination, but the road to it. I don't do a whole lot of "farming", but when I do its usually my

Nova Sorc or hdin, both of which

Teleport.

I'm with you there. On my necro I stop a lot to kill large groups or any champions and elites. The tele really helps in some areas like durance, cata or getting to Chaos faster. I've seen several guides say coh for resists but I can fix that with charms. The fcr sucks for zon but Enigma has that Tele to get through dead ends and the frw we all want.

Then again I don't mind walking THAT much... I mean if I go coh I can just farm easier areas

Taromer67 wrote: 10 months ago

I've seen several guides say coh for resists but I can fix that with charms. The fcr sucks for zon but Enigma has that Tele to get through dead ends and the frw we all want.

Then again I don't mind walking THAT much... I mean if I go coh I can just farm easier areas

CoH seems to be better geared for a melee character imo. The survivability it gives is amazing. I love the life leech on it, yes the +65 res is a given, but the damage to demons, DR, and the +20 str are not to be scoffed at either. It's loaded with useful stats.

BUT...if you want to farm with this character, then I do recommend Enigma. Or find a rare +2 skill amazon amulet with

Teleport charges. My non-tele capable characters mainly putz around TZ areas or cows.

krathkor wrote: 10 months ago

4 me:
bowazon coh/tm
barb fort
sorc donnt play
everybody else Enigma

Never considered tyraels if that's what tm is. Interesting choice

Knappogue wrote: 10 months ago

Taromer67 wrote: 10 months ago

I've seen several guides say coh for resists but I can fix that with charms. The fcr sucks for zon but Enigma has that Tele to get through dead ends and the frw we all want.

Then again I don't mind walking THAT much... I mean if I go coh I can just farm easier areas

CoH seems to be better geared for a melee character imo. The survivability it gives is amazing. I love the life leech on it, yes the +65 res is a given, but the damage to demons, DR, and the +20 str are not to be scoffed at either. It's loaded with useful stats.

BUT...if you want to farm with this character, then I do recommend Enigma. Or find a rare +2 skill amazon amulet with

Teleport charges. My non-tele capable characters mainly putz around TZ areas or cows.

So far I'm leaning towards Enigma. It just has everything she needs. Even if I don't use tele the frw will come in handy

My favorite frostmaiden armour is Arkaine’s valor. +2 skills, a facet, and it’s the sweetest looking armour ever

Enigma for mobility, Fortitude for phys damage. COH feels like in-between - never saw the appeal. But ultimately play style choice. My

Frenzy and Fury weak forti, all the others - including my jav - Enigma.

CoH (for +res), especially with Cold and Cold/Fire Maidens you want as much +skills as possible for the biggest effect.

But yes, Nate has a point too... Since it's not really a hardcore melee build, that physical dmg reduction and all res doesn't have THAT much affect like on some other builds, so you can go for looks and/or other stats.

My Smiter has CoH and you can't convince me to use anything else, haahaa

In addition to what's been said, if you enjoy having a useful merc, then Enigma may be the best/only option. Damn merc doesn't follow half the time and gets stuck almost everywhere when walking.. Have to

Teleport a lot of times to get him in range.

Zero187 wrote: 10 months ago

In addition to what's been said, if you enjoy having a useful merc, then Enigma may be the best/only option. Damn merc doesn't follow half the time and gets stuck almost everywhere when walking.. Have to

Teleport a lot of times to get him in range.

Lol true that, I actually came across the manic pixie guide and I'm thinking of having a1 merc with Faith bow for speed or maybe I'll stick with botd for her. Both seem fun but Faith seems more useful

I made a frost maiden a few ladders ago. My thought process was: if this build can now farm the entire game with a sunder, I might as well use an armor that facilitate that--otherwise I'm spending most of my time just running the long way around every tunnel and corridor

Besides, I used

Teleport pretty sparingly, mostly for shortcuts and for keeping my merc nearby. And Harmony or Hustle on swap.
The FRW makes it dual use for mobility anyways

Also to echo Zero187, using

Teleport to control your merc is important. Lvl 12

Conviction doesn't have a huge radius, and your merc is always stuck somewhere at the worst possible moment

Enigma and 3 res

Boots to cover resists.
Cheap alternative: Hustle armor if u are on the ladder (this with 20 IAS gloves and 20 IAS on bow allows u to cover 75 IAS) and use

Um for res / cold jewel for more dmg in Nightwing's instead of jewel of fervor.
Additional +2 skills and res will be from amu like cheap maras. Use

Naj's Puzzler on swap in this setup for teleports between walls and merc reposition. I like great FRW in this setup.

Thank you all for the inputs. I'm going for Enigma, that Tele and frw is just too much to pass up plus the strength and mf. It's too sexy. I think I was trying to convince myself to use coh because "a few guides say this" and it was something different. I will try out tyraels as well for shits and giggles with naj on swap but it seems like coh is only good for ubers. Thank you all again, really appreciate it