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Hey,
right now I'm running the typical double Grief PB Horker, but I want to move on to something else ( and looking better than the blue sticks :D ).
Since I rolled some decent Death BAs this ladder i want to use them on my Barb.

From what I understand about the major differences in the weapon choice, there are 2 main issues:
  • Grief ignores the targets defence --> any Death build will need more attack rating
  • Grief in PBs is so fast that you don't have to care about any ias breakpoints --> WW with a
    Berserker Axe
    needs 63% ias (Thanks schnorkie)

Do I need to reach the fastest breakpoint?
I can get 40% ias by using Highlord and LoH and the next 15 ias can be covered by a jewel in Arreats, if I use a
Raven Frost
instead of the
Cham
.
But the last step would be an ias
Belt
and I don't know if I want to drop
String of Ears
.
--> Stick to 20 ias or go for Max speed at 63 ias?


I'm really not sure about the attack rating. The options to get more AR:
  • 2 Rings
  • maybe the socket in Arreats. I got a
    Cham
    in Arreats right now, but if I have to use a
    Raven Frost
    , this will change for sure.
  • Otherwise there is much space for charms.


Do you have any expirence with such a build and can give me some advice?
Maybe I'm missing something important?

Thanks :)


My Char: https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/p10106ce
Description by Thetameter
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Hey,
right now I'm running the typical double Grief PB Horker, but I want to move on to something else ( and looking better than the blue sticks :D ).
Since I rolled some decent Death BAs this ladder i want to use them on my Barb.

From what I understand about the major differences in the weapon choice, there are 2 main issues:
  • Grief ignores the targets defence --> any Death build will need more attack rating
  • Grief in PBs is so fast that you don't have to care about any ias breakpoints --> WW with a
    Berserker Axe
    needs 63% ias (Thanks schnorkie)

Do I need to reach the fastest breakpoint?
I can get 40% ias by using Highlord and LoH and the next 15 ias can be covered by a jewel in Arreats, if I use a
Raven Frost
instead of the
Cham
.
But the last step would be an ias
Belt
and I don't know if I want to drop
String of Ears
.
--> Stick to 20 ias or go for Max speed at 63 ias?


I'm really not sure about the attack rating. The options to get more AR:
  • 2 Rings
  • maybe the socket in Arreats. I got a
    Cham
    in Arreats right now, but if I have to use a
    Raven Frost
    , this will change for sure.
  • Otherwise there is much space for charms.


Do you have any expirence with such a build and can give me some advice?
Maybe I'm missing something important?

Thanks :)


My Char: https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/p10106ce
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SchnorkiModerator

PC
According to warren (which is already updated for 2.6...wtf?!? dayum), you'd need 63 IAS total to
Cap
ww speed with dual BAs.
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Schnorki wrote: 2 weeks ago
According to warren (which is already updated for 2.6...wtf?!? dayum), you'd need 63 IAS total to
Cap
ww speed with dual BAs.
Ah damn the one I used is too old... thanks for the advice.

So ias is an issue for this build.
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NecrarchModerator

Necromancer Europe PC
Upgraded once
Goldwrap
can be an option for 10 extra ias and provides mf. You'll need ll and Dr elsewhere though

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Highlord's Wrath
(+20% ias)+
20 ias gloves +
Nosferatu's Coil
or
Goldwrap
(10% ias) +
jewel of fervor (+15% ias) in
Arreat's Face
=
+65% ias from equip
and you re set with your doube Death at max speed
it is quite interesting what you re building here, i love Death so much but never went for double, now i want to try it in WW and
Frenzy
(maybe it can get max attack speed with
Fanaticism
from Faith act 1 merc)

Sweet Lovely Death
Just waiting for your breath
Come sweet Death
One Last Caress
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i like
Stealskull
with a ferver jewel , 25 ias & dual leech
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krathkor wrote: 2 weeks ago
i like
Stealskull
with a ferver jewel , 25 ias & dual leech
It's quite nice with the MF, but I really need the res from Arreats and it got much more like für, skills and a good defence.

I trink if I ever switch the helmet it would be for an Andy face or maybe a CoA. They can provide 35 or 30 ias with jewels.
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Steccothal wrote: 2 weeks ago
Highlord's Wrath
(+20% ias)+
20 ias gloves +
Nosferatu's Coil
or
Goldwrap
(10% ias) +
jewel of fervor (+15% ias) in
Arreat's Face
=
+65% ias from equip
and you re set with your doube Death at max speed
it is quite interesting what you re building here, i love Death so much but never went for double, now i want to try it in WW and
Frenzy
(maybe it can get max attack speed with
Fanaticism
from Faith act 1 merc)
Nice to meet another fan! ;-)
I thought so too and build 7 Death axes this season. :D
The transparent weaponskin looks great and a 1h weapon with 500 max damage is just insane.

I think I will have to playtest if I really need the 65 ias... it seems to be a high price to reach that last breakpoint... really not sure if this is the way to go.
Since I'm missing a clean Arreats, it might take some days to get there anyway.
I will post an update when I get a socket quest.
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You can always go

Andy with 15IAS jewel = 35
Highlord = 20
Goldwrap
= 10

thats 65

what u lost because no Arreat face you can always get from gloves, rings - and if u go Mara amulet (and LoH), then you would get more (except AR and DS) from this combination + rings can give you 120AR +
Raven Frost
250 which shouldnt be bad AR.

btw if u go Grief + Death. as someone said above that Death do 500dmg, wouldnt it be more dmg if paired with Grief?

Grief dmg is +/-400 and Death with Grief buff would be at 840-900 <- I am still not 100% sure how Grief dmg actually work :D (just too complicated math) :)

just read what Death is. if u go dual Death I dont think AR would be an issue. 100AR and +40% AR just on weapons

for my barbs I prefer Grief with BotD (dual leech) 60IAS and
Poison Nova
:)

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If you go 1h+shield way instead of dual wield, that's another possible ias bonus. My barb goes 1h + ar/ias
Stormshield
- so I have another 15% ias bonus (along with block n 35%dr). Such way, you're fine with Death/Grief weapons.
Funny thing here, btw:
Highlord - 20 ias
Iased SS - 15 ias
Double-iased IK head - 30 ias
IK gauntlet set bonus - 25 ias.
That's 90 total - you hit 89% threshold needed for 4fpa Death
Colossus Sword
😎 powerful n awesome-looking.
Or, if you wield Death
Colossus Blade
- it's just okay to have 15% less ias (
Cham
in ss, for example).
Another idea is 35% by iased andy + 20 by highlord + 20 by loh. This way it's 75% (Death cb), or 90% with iased ss (Death cs).

Just my 5 cents here 😉 could help perhaps
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You got some good ideas, so lets talk about the baseline for my Barb:

1. Any Softcore WW Barb wants to use 2 weapons in d2r, since they both hit. A shield does not make sence, if you don't play hardcore and need the protection.

2. I crafted Death in
Berserker Axe
s, because I needed one for my zealot. Well now I have some more and want to use them on my Barb. For an
Axe
Barb Grief is an annoying choice since it has to be repaired. So double Death it is. ;-)

3. For ias there are different item combinationes possible. Maybe I will try some different ways:
Since I will need the available helmet sockets for ias jewels, a
Raven Frost
is set as one ring and the otherone depends on the choice of helmet and
Belt
. The 2nd ring will need as much res as possible I guess.
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I plan to build a ww barb next ladder. My issue with dual Death is that your
Berserk
is slow--you need 125 ias to hit max speed. So I plan to make a eBOTD
Berserker Axe
for my main hand to hit that breakpoint.
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I got alle the items I needed and switched my Barb to dual Death with 65 ias.

Setup: https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/oq0106wg

I need a better rare ring and some charms, but otherwise I'm happy with the setup and it seems to work quite well for a first try.
Since I'm using an Enigma in a
Mage Plate
, I don't have to use any stats for str or dex on this build and did my first tests with 125 stats in vita and 300 stats still free. I guess that won't work for
Baal
or CS runs. :D The attack rating is an issue right now, since 7k is not enought for most stuff except P1 Trav ...
Ways to improve AR:
1. better rare / crafted ring with LL / AR / res / life or Mana
2. Jewel with 15 ias / 89 AR in
Arreat's Face
--> got that but want to test before using it
3. AR charms

Do you have advice for the AR issue?
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NecrarchModerator

Necromancer Europe PC
I would start by putting on
Angelic Halo
+Wing for a start, just to see if it solves the AR issue.

Then, probably invest on sharp or Steel GCs and fine SCs to see how it feels. Better ring also, but harder to find. Do it step by step.

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NecrarchModerator

Necromancer Europe PC

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NecrarchModerator

Necromancer Europe PC
It is, but in about a month any L char will be NL

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Thetameter wrote: 1 week ago

Do you have advice for the AR issue?
Could also be worth switching A2 merc from Might to
Blessed Aim
temporarily while you're gearing up and getting those charms. Then once you get a full inv of them, switch back to Might.

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Zero187 wrote: 1 week ago
Could also be worth switching A2 merc from Might to
Blessed Aim
temporarily while you're gearing up and getting those charms. Then once you get a full inv of them, switch back to Might.
Oh boy I really forgot about that option. Thank you!
The merc will fix my problem for sure and I think, I wont miss the might aura anytime soon.

I am using AR charms right now and want to keep some free space for drops, since I'm lazy.
I'm really wondering how other Barbs without 'ignore target defence" handle their attack rating... it seems like a major problem for higher player counts?
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