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Yesterday I tried to run Ubers with my Foher (I didnt even swap gear to dmg - I was geared for MF) with my friend who was smiter (kinda under geared). It was a the most messy ubers I have ever done. I had to run
Conviction
against
Mephisto
and then swapping between might aura to boost his dmg and
Salvation
to help with his resists. Basicly I was just healing him. And my
Smite
with HoZ was unplayable due to slow IAS and not wearing Grief.

My expectations were I would do decent amount of dmg with
Holy Bolt
(lvl 41 6,1-6,9k dmg) but reality was my dmg was really low - dunno if it was because of they had so much hp or they have resists. And they kept charging at me instead on my friend. I was teleporting like crazy.

My questions:
Are ubers resitant to
Holy Bolt
dmg? Are they even considered as demons or undead?

Why did they targeted me? And not my friend who was smiting them? I was higher lvl (maybe that was the reason?)

Conclusion: MF Foher aint uberkiller :D
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Yesterday I tried to run Ubers with my Foher (I didnt even swap gear to dmg - I was geared for MF) with my friend who was smiter (kinda under geared). It was a the most messy ubers I have ever done. I had to run
Conviction
against
Mephisto
and then swapping between might aura to boost his dmg and
Salvation
to help with his resists. Basicly I was just healing him. And my
Smite
with HoZ was unplayable due to slow IAS and not wearing Grief.

My expectations were I would do decent amount of dmg with
Holy Bolt
(lvl 41 6,1-6,9k dmg) but reality was my dmg was really low - dunno if it was because of they had so much hp or they have resists. And they kept charging at me instead on my friend. I was teleporting like crazy.

My questions:
Are ubers resitant to
Holy Bolt
dmg? Are they even considered as demons or undead?

Why did they targeted me? And not my friend who was smiting them? I was higher lvl (maybe that was the reason?)

Conclusion: MF Foher aint uberkiller :D

check my other trades: member/The%20Flash/
my free items: simple t4t is fine with me :) what you pay is up to you
free anni to my WTS
LF
Ral
,
Nef
, keys, pame, pruby, jewel
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they are demons (so enhanced damage against demons applies) but they have huge life pool, so if you don t have decent crushing blow you don't scratch em, and no, foher ain't no uber killer, and they targeted you because they hate fohers and they like smiters, or at least that's what
Mephisto
said to me yesterday

Sweet Lovely Death
Just waiting for your breath
Come sweet Death
One Last Caress
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Grab a
Heaven's Light
with two shaels and with 1 point
Smite
and 1 point Fana and your Fohdin becomes a Uber Killer :)
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They all have 75% Magic resist so you damage is divided by 4.
They have 15k life gene per sec.
Your 25% * 6k
Holy Bolt
is not enough.

Relax and have fun!
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Besides you need open wounds or poison to stop their super life regen.
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Tetra 178

Paladin Europe PC
mockingbirdreal wrote: 1 year ago
They all have 75% Magic resist so you damage is divided by 4.
They have 15k life gene per sec.
Your 25% * 6k
Holy Bolt
is not enough.
Holy
Bolts
ignore any resistances.
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Tetra wrote: 1 year ago
Holy
Bolts
ignore any resistances.
Not to demons, tested myself

Relax and have fun!
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OP
Steccothal wrote: 1 year ago
they targeted you because they hate fohers and they like smiters, or at least that's what
Mephisto
said to me yesterday
well
Mephisto
lied, he was the only one who was focusing my smiter friend

check my other trades: member/The%20Flash/
my free items: simple t4t is fine with me :) what you pay is up to you
free anni to my WTS
LF
Ral
,
Nef
, keys, pame, pruby, jewel
7
OP
mockingbirdreal wrote: 1 year ago
Not to demons, tested myself
thx for info ;)

check my other trades: member/The%20Flash/
my free items: simple t4t is fine with me :) what you pay is up to you
free anni to my WTS
LF
Ral
,
Nef
, keys, pame, pruby, jewel
7
OP
k88lech wrote: 1 year ago
Grab a
Heaven's Light
with two shaels and with 1 point
Smite
and 1 point Fana and your Fohdin becomes a Uber Killer :)
that actually works? I have my dedicated uber killer with 300light res, Grief, draculs, Exile and other gear. I was just curious how foher would do.

Thx for tip. If I find it I will definitelly try it.

check my other trades: member/The%20Flash/
my free items: simple t4t is fine with me :) what you pay is up to you
free anni to my WTS
LF
Ral
,
Nef
, keys, pame, pruby, jewel
7
The Flash wrote: 1 year ago
Steccothal wrote: 1 year ago
they targeted you because they hate fohers and they like smiters, or at least that's what
Mephisto
said to me yesterday
well
Mephisto
lied, he was the only one who was focusing my smiter friend
what a world we live in if you can't even trust the lord of hatred anymore

Sweet Lovely Death
Just waiting for your breath
Come sweet Death
One Last Caress
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OP
Steccothal wrote: 1 year ago
The Flash wrote: 1 year ago
Steccothal wrote: 1 year ago
they targeted you because they hate fohers and they like smiters, or at least that's what
Mephisto
said to me yesterday
well
Mephisto
lied, he was the only one who was focusing my smiter friend
what a world we live in if you can't even trust the lord of hatred anymore
maybe his title is reason why :D

check my other trades: member/The%20Flash/
my free items: simple t4t is fine with me :) what you pay is up to you
free anni to my WTS
LF
Ral
,
Nef
, keys, pame, pruby, jewel
7
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Schnorki 3024Moderator

PC
The Flash wrote: 1 year ago
k88lech wrote: 1 year ago
Grab a
Heaven's Light
with two shaels and with 1 point
Smite
and 1 point Fana and your Fohdin becomes a Uber Killer :)
that actually works? I have my dedicated uber killer with 300light res, Grief, draculs, Exile and other gear. I was just curious how foher would do.

Thx for tip. If I find it I will definitelly try it.
It does. Though
Heaven's Light
isn't ideal for that imo (due to only hitting 8 frames base, even with 2x
Shael
and a lack of OW).

You really don't need much actual smiter gear (or skills) to take down ubers/dclone. Hammerdins/FOHdins with a minimum of
Smite
capability are perfectly capable of handling them by themselves.

What you really want/"need" is simply:
- Lifetap (so you don't need to pot..unless you like potting in which case lifetap is optional)
- Some sort of crushing blow as an easy source of massive dmg
- Open wounds to stop their regen
- Enough res to live through meph
- Ideally at least 7 frame base
Smite
for crushing/tap procs

You can achieve all of that with a simple weapon swap to Kingslayer + Exile. That way, you can stay in literally full FoH gear without ever swapping anything and just shift over to 2-piece
Smite
when needed. All you drop for it is CTA which - let's be honest - a pally really doesn't need. They're plenty tanky as is. Or just keep it as switch gear if you don't mind changing stuff along the way.
Add in
Gore Rider
for extra crushing at no real stat loss on the FoH side to round it off. (Yes, yes,
Goblin Toe
adds more but f that lack of run speed)

A Kingslayer phase gives you a 7-frame base
Smite
which is plenty to handle meph with a measly 1 pt in
Smite
. Add 1 pt in
Fanaticism
to drop to 6fps against everything else (1pt in
Salvation
for meph to cover your res needs) and you're set. As a FoH-din you should have plenty of skill points left to
Cap
Holy Shield
on top of that, adding some dmg to your smiting besides the crushing.

(Some sort of anti-freeze would be nice though, if you don't already have a
Cham
in your FoH head.
Raven
on switch covers that)
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Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago
The Flash wrote: 1 year ago
k88lech wrote: 1 year ago
Grab a
Heaven's Light
with two shaels and with 1 point
Smite
and 1 point Fana and your Fohdin becomes a Uber Killer :)
that actually works? I have my dedicated uber killer with 300light res, Grief, draculs, Exile and other gear. I was just curious how foher would do.

Thx for tip. If I find it I will definitelly try it.
It does. Though
Heaven's Light
isn't ideal for that imo (due to only hitting 8 frames base, even with 2x
Shael
and a lack of OW).

...
Hmm, I did a quick d2planner setup (because I think the frames I reach with my setup are quite good) and with
Heaven's Light
with two shaels + Fana lvl 16 (1 hard point) it shows 6 frames (https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/kq0106ci). I am missing something?

I chose
Heaven's Light
mainly because of +3 pala skills, fast attack speed and 33% CB and I actually didn't switch gear between my normal play and Ubers (except for
Magefist
). Of course after some time I got Enigma and for the fast tele I added arachs + HoTo (but that is another topic). And my initial setup was quite cheap.
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rikus 126

Amazon Americas PC
Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago
The Flash wrote: 1 year ago
k88lech wrote: 1 year ago
Grab a
Heaven's Light
with two shaels and with 1 point
Smite
and 1 point Fana and your Fohdin becomes a Uber Killer :)
that actually works? I have my dedicated uber killer with 300light res, Grief, draculs, Exile and other gear. I was just curious how foher would do.

Thx for tip. If I find it I will definitelly try it.
It does. Though
Heaven's Light
isn't ideal for that imo (due to only hitting 8 frames base, even with 2x
Shael
and a lack of OW).

You really don't need much actual smiter gear (or skills) to take down ubers/dclone. Hammerdins/FOHdins with a minimum of
Smite
capability are perfectly capable of handling them by themselves.

What you really want/"need" is simply:
- Lifetap (so you don't need to pot..unless you like potting in which case lifetap is optional)
- Some sort of crushing blow as an easy source of massive dmg
- Open wounds to stop their regen
- Enough res to live through meph
- Ideally at least 7 frame base
Smite
for crushing/tap procs

You can achieve all of that with a simple weapon swap to Kingslayer + Exile. That way, you can stay in literally full FoH gear without ever swapping anything and just shift over to 2-piece
Smite
when needed. All you drop for it is CTA which - let's be honest - a pally really doesn't need. They're plenty tanky as is. Or just keep it as switch gear if you don't mind changing stuff along the way.
Add in
Gore Rider
for extra crushing at no real stat loss on the FoH side to round it off. (Yes, yes,
Goblin Toe
adds more but f that lack of run speed)

A Kingslayer phase gives you a 7-frame base
Smite
which is plenty to handle meph with a measly 1 pt in
Smite
. Add 1 pt in
Fanaticism
to drop to 6fps against everything else (1pt in
Salvation
for meph to cover your res needs) and you're set. As a FoH-din you should have plenty of skill points left to
Cap
Holy Shield
on top of that, adding some dmg to your smiting besides the crushing.

(Some sort of anti-freeze would be nice though, if you don't already have a
Cham
in your FoH head.
Raven
on switch covers that)
when you explain it like this it sounds so simple :D

goodluck, and may the RNG god be with you.
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Schnorki 3024Moderator

PC
k88lech wrote: 1 year ago
Hmm, I did a quick d2planner setup (because I think the frames I reach with my setup are quite good) and with
Heaven's Light
with two shaels + Fana lvl 16 (1 hard point) it shows 6 frames (https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/kq0106ci). I am missing something?
Nope, you're not. I was talking about the base speed (i.e. without fana) so you don't have to specifically gear for even more res against meph. Being able to just go for 1pt
Salvation
against him (or conv as a FoHdin) makes him a lot easier/means you don't need any extra res gear but dropping to 8 frames doing so certainly isn't ideal.
rikus wrote: 1 year ago
when you explain it like this it sounds so simple :D
Because it is. :P
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rikus 126

Amazon Americas PC
Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago
Because it is. :P
i don't think you understand the value of experience... :p i estimate that if and when i actually get to ubers, i will probably get corpse guarded and have to find all 9 keys all over again

goodluck, and may the RNG god be with you.
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Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago
k88lech wrote: 1 year ago
Hmm, I did a quick d2planner setup (because I think the frames I reach with my setup are quite good) and with
Heaven's Light
with two shaels + Fana lvl 16 (1 hard point) it shows 6 frames (https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/kq0106ci). I am missing something?
Nope, you're not. I was talking about the base speed (i.e. without fana) so you don't have to specifically gear for even more res against meph. Being able to just go for 1pt
Salvation
against him (or conv as a FoHdin) makes him a lot easier/means you don't need any extra res gear but dropping to 8 frames doing so certainly isn't ideal.
I got it :) I just don't mind adding some more charms I guess and back then I was seeking for a all in one solution for convenience. But anyway, plenty of options here :)
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Schnorki 3024Moderator

PC
rikus wrote: 1 year ago
Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago
Because it is. :P
i don't think you understand the value of experience... :p i estimate that if and when i actually get to ubers, i will probably get corpse guarded and have to find all 9 keys all over again
Fair point.

You can always ask for help here, in case you do get smacked around by them. Or even beforehand as a contingency, to be safe. There's plenty of folks happy to help for free (myself included if I'm available at the time). No need to just lose the keys.
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OP
Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago
All you drop for it is CTA which - let's be honest - a pally really doesn't need. They're plenty tanky as is.
actually before I buffed my pala with charms and respect myself into more vitality (I dont have max block). With CtA I had around 2k hp. It was all OK until
Lilith
one shot me - odds are low. But she did. One hit.

check my other trades: member/The%20Flash/
my free items: simple t4t is fine with me :) what you pay is up to you
free anni to my WTS
LF
Ral
,
Nef
, keys, pame, pruby, jewel
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