Barb Endgame Build

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

I did a test build to see and this is what I got using Phase Blades against Players 8

Baal. Grief + Lawbringer 70.72 second TTK using

Frenzy. Grief + Oath 67.12 TTK, Grief + Ebotd 64.95,Grief + Pheonix 66.01,Grief + Grief 55.32, and Grief + Last Wish 37.73seconds for

Frenzy w/ A1 Faith merc using Phase Blades, Enigma, arreats, steelrends, gores Doubt the base will change it much but that's my best guess at what your offhand should be.

This is an interesting test. Thanks for posting it.

This is only relevant to Act bosses though. The crushing blow from Last Wish will melt

Baal, but it's going to be a completely different test against clearing a large area like Cows or Chaos

I still believe that 2-handed BOTD is your best option for clearing large areas. Especially something with alot of range, like GPA or

Ghost Spear.

Another thing I wanted to add...

It doesn't matter what your damage numbers look like if you don't also have good attack rating. I would shoot for at least 8000+ for PVM. Your hit chance will also improve with higher character level.

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

I did a test build to see and this is what I got using Phase Blades against Players 8

Baal. Grief + Lawbringer 70.72 second TTK using

Frenzy. Grief + Oath 67.12 TTK, Grief + Ebotd 64.95,Grief + Pheonix 66.01,Grief + Grief 55.32, and Grief + Last Wish 37.73seconds for

Frenzy w/ A1 Faith merc using Phase Blades, Enigma, arreats, steelrends, gores Doubt the base will change it much but that's my best guess at what your offhand should be.

Interesting. So the combination of Might and

Fanaticism is what makes the difference then?

rgp151 wrote: 2 years ago

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

I did a test build to see and this is what I got using Phase Blades against Players 8

Baal. Grief + Lawbringer 70.72 second TTK using

Frenzy. Grief + Oath 67.12 TTK, Grief + Ebotd 64.95,Grief + Pheonix 66.01,Grief + Grief 55.32, and Grief + Last Wish 37.73seconds for

Frenzy w/ A1 Faith merc using Phase Blades, Enigma, arreats, steelrends, gores Doubt the base will change it much but that's my best guess at what your offhand should be.

Interesting. So the combination of Might and

Fanaticism is what makes the difference then?

No had merc for all the tests but Last Wish doubled everything elses time with a Grief. And that's was with pheonix Sword not shield.. Almost makes the x3

Jah and a

Ber worth it to make. Lol

Ironembraced wrote: 2 years ago

Another thing I wanted to add...

It doesn't matter what your damage numbers look like if you don't also have good attack rating. I would shoot for at least 8000+ for PVM. Your hit chance will also improve with higher character level.

True, which is why I like Act 1 Faith over Act 2 Might. I'm not sure how Act 2

Blessed Aim fairs.

61.87 w Lawbringer 58.03 w Oath 56.88 w pheonix 56.25 w Ebotd w Last Wish 33.58 using Act 2 merc with

Blessed Aim and Pride and . With Insight instead of Pride Add 3-5secs on each. 47.10 w x2 griefs too

Ironembraced wrote: 2 years ago

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

I did a test build to see and this is what I got using Phase Blades against Players 8

Baal. Grief + Lawbringer 70.72 second TTK using

Frenzy. Grief + Oath 67.12 TTK, Grief + Ebotd 64.95,Grief + Pheonix 66.01,Grief + Grief 55.32, and Grief + Last Wish 37.73seconds for

Frenzy w/ A1 Faith merc using Phase Blades, Enigma, arreats, steelrends, gores Doubt the base will change it much but that's my best guess at what your offhand should be.

This is an interesting test. Thanks for posting it.

This is only relevant to Act bosses though. The crushing blow from Last Wish will melt

Baal, but it's going to be a completely different test against clearing a large area like Cows or Chaos

I still believe that 2-handed BOTD is your best option for clearing large areas. Especially something with alot of range, like GPA or

Ghost Spear.

Definitely would be but also did that W Lawbringer 2.19sec per cow, these will all be in players 8 game on hell. Oath 1.88 Pheonix 1.79 Ebotd 1.82 Grief 1.32 Last Wish 1.47 Act 2 merc

Blessed Aim and Insight. With A1 Faith merc Lawbringer 2.41 Oath 2.08 Pheonix 1.98 Ebotd 2.01 Grief 1.47 Last Wish 1.59 so mobs dual Grief boss Grief + Last Wish. And even with Act 2 might merc using Pride only shaved .30 off each cow barely compared to

Blessed Aim W Insight or Faith A1 Merc. Didn't test mercs ttks though

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

Definitely would be but also did that W Lawbringer 2.19sec per cow, these will all be in players 8 game on hell. Oath 1.88 Pheonix 1.79 Ebotd 1.82 Grief 1.32 Last Wish 1.47 Act 2 merc

Blessed Aim and Insight. With A1 Faith merc Lawbringer 2.41 Oath 2.08 Pheonix 1.98 Ebotd 2.01 Grief 1.47 Last Wish 1.59 so mobs dual Grief boss Grief + Last Wish. And even with Act 2 might merc using Pride only shaved .30 off each cow barely compared to

Blessed Aim W Insight or Faith A1 Merc. Didn't test mercs ttks though

On Cows yeah, but the issue of Physical Immunity comes in (esp against Undeads like ghosts), which is where Lawbringer shines. The good news is that Lawbringer is cheap so you can just keep it around for when its needed.

rgp151 wrote: 2 years ago

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

Definitely would be but also did that W Lawbringer 2.19sec per cow, these will all be in players 8 game on hell. Oath 1.88 Pheonix 1.79 Ebotd 1.82 Grief 1.32 Last Wish 1.47 Act 2 merc

Blessed Aim and Insight. With A1 Faith merc Lawbringer 2.41 Oath 2.08 Pheonix 1.98 Ebotd 2.01 Grief 1.47 Last Wish 1.59 so mobs dual Grief boss Grief + Last Wish. And even with Act 2 might merc using Pride only shaved .30 off each cow barely compared to

Blessed Aim W Insight or Faith A1 Merc. Didn't test mercs ttks though

On Cows yeah, but the issue of Physical Immunity comes in (esp against Undeads like ghosts), which is where Lawbringer shines. The good news is that Lawbringer is cheap so you can just keep it around for when its needed.

Slap 1 point into

Berserk. Turns all damage to magic. And

Ghost Spear and

Great Poleaxe Tied on WW 8 player hell cows with 0.91

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

Slap 1 point into

Berserk. Turns all damage to magic. And

Ghost Spear and

Great Poleaxe Tied on WW 8 player hell cows with 0.91

I think I'd rather save my 3 skill points and just use Lawbringer :p Plus, in the real world, I find that Lawbringer is much more effective than switching to Berzerk. Stacked mana draining Ghosts mixed with other mobs are a PITA. I've run

The Countess with

Frenzy/Berzerk w/o Lawbringer and

Frenzy using Lawbringer, and hands down using Lawbringer was way faster and easier. And if I ever get

Azurewrath...

rgp151 wrote: 2 years ago

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

Slap 1 point into

Berserk. Turns all damage to magic. And

Ghost Spear and

Great Poleaxe Tied on WW 8 player hell cows with 0.91

I think I'd rather save my 3 skill points and just use Lawbringer :p Plus, in the real world, I find that Lawbringer is much more effective than switching to Berzerk. Stacked mana draining Ghosts mixed with other mods are a PITA. I've run

The Countess with

Frenzy/Berzerk w/o Lawbringer and

Frenzy using Lawbringer, and hands down using Lawbringer was way faster and easier. And if I ever get

Azurewrath...

Won't be home for awhile but if you want an

Azurewrath I got you. Not perf but not complete trash either. Been in stash since I got it near launch.

Just want to add some context here. You guys are talking about

Frenzy builds.

Lawbringer does not work with

Whirlwind.

Personally I only play

Whirlwind /

Berserk, so I don't have any experience playing Barb with these weapons.

Either way, the optimal gear load-out is going to vary greatly between the two builds

Ironembraced wrote: 2 years ago

Just want to add some context here. You guys are talking about

Frenzy builds.

Lawbringer does not work with

Whirlwind.

Personally I only play

Whirlwind /

Berserk, so I don't have any experience playing Barb with these weapons.

Either way, the optimal gear load-out is going to vary greatly between the two builds

Yeah, very true. The lack of procs on WW really limits it IMO. There is a lot I like about WW, but after getting the dual on-striking effects of

Frenzy I don't think I'll ever go back to it. The points of WW is better AoE, and I do like that you can WW with a shield, but really, you end up with better AoE using

Frenzy it seems. With

Poison Nova,

Static Field,

Frozen Orb,

Glacial Spike,

Decrepify,

Amplify Damage, and so many other really good spells procing off striking, its hard to pass up

Frenzy. IMO, WW beats

Frenzy hands down throughout Nightmare, but when you start getting into the high end weapons,

Frenzy leaves WW far behind. And now they are going to make it even more powerful since they are "fixing" the cooldowns in 2.4.

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

Won't be home for awhile but if you want an

Azurewrath I got you. Not perf but not complete trash either. Been in stash since I got it near launch.

Nah, I'm good, but thanks. I'm doing self-found.

rgp151 wrote: 2 years ago

Cinomed541 wrote: 2 years ago

Won't be home for awhile but if you want an

Azurewrath I got you. Not perf but not complete trash either. Been in stash since I got it near launch.

Nah, I'm good, but thanks. I'm doing self-found.

Hey kudos to you for that, I usually have one Hardcore guy that I try to do that on but I'm too friendly and end up joining up with people and we just give each other the stuff we aren't using. Lol

The general consensus from guides that have been posted regarding

Frenzy builds, put the following weapon combination above all others: Breath of the Dying

Colossus Blade, and Death

Colossus Sword. (Or alternatively Berserker Axes)

Indestructiblilty being a major factor

Then you would have 2x Lawbringer on weapon switch.

Yeah but guides just mean everyone looks and moves the same. I'm screwing around gonna test an Ice

Frenzy Barb. Use a Rift in one hand Voice of Reason

Scourge in other nightwings some cold facets and 4socket armor with facets. Hot

Holy Freeze A2 merc with Infinity and he's got nightwings and

Ormus just cause it's something different

Ice sounded good but couldn't get it to be viable although if you want something new to try.... Hand of Justice & Pheonix PBs, Dragon armor, +15/-15

Helm, Highlords Gores, Soj, Dual leech ring, arachnid and steelrends. Instead of freezing flurry... ( Ice build ) Searing slashes actually worked, pretty well. Took

Baal out in about 30seconds in 8man hell. And cows went fast too, hadn't really built it around res only had torch and anni in inventory and no WC swaps. So yeah testing on build maker, than on offline for physical trials and aside from lacking res and the BO buffs it was pretty solid through Chaos, Worldstone and Cows on Players 8. Incase someone with a bunch of runes wants to give it a shot. Merc just had basic Infinity Fort and Vamps Might aura but gonna test with

Holy Freeze for crowd control.