Well it happened, I got scammed.

Pitach wrote: 1 hour ago

The window trade doesn't work when an item gets swapped, you either opened the trade window more than one time and you did see the original Enigma, or they swapped the Enigma right after they put it, the trade button went red and you didn't notice, and by the time you put all statues it came green again.
sorry 2 hear if u need help to get an Enigma I can gift u one

varangium wrote: 1 hour ago

Knappogue wrote: 2 hours ago

varangium wrote: 3 hours ago

Unpopular opinion - there is a side of me, a prankster side, that enjoys the craft of a good scam for something that doesn't really matter (like a video game).

Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. The prankster side of me wants to do one, but then give the item back, but among other reasons I've never done this, too much risk they get pissed off and leave before I have a chance to do so.

But I appreciate the elements of a good scam (like a magic trick), and knowing these (or experiencing it in something that doesn't really matter like Diablo) is good training for real life.

Key elements:
- Time urgency
- A compelling or too good to be true offer (but depending on the target not so much that they get suspicious)
- Slight of hand / misdirection

In the cases above, we have the compelling offer (although not too good to be true level), and we have the slight of hand / misdirection with the stash full. Time urgency also somewhat comes automatically with a compelling offer.

Note that "time urgency" does not necessarily mean the trade is happening quickly, it's often the opposite. They create time urgency by stalling, pretending the trade won't go through, or other tricks to get you frustrated and trying to click fast to get it over with. They are trying to create urgency on your side.

I remember back in the day (before the long checkbox delay of today), someone tried to scam me by bouncing a

Harlequin Crest

Shako up and down in the trade window, always just fast enough that I couldn't confirm the trade, and then after a while they swapped it out for a

Emerald socketed

Cap

You describe this like the one on the receiving end of your scam is not a real person with feelings and emotions. Surprisingly callous. But I can appreciate you stopping yourself before trying it.

I'd highly caution against testing anything like this. Even if it "doesn't really matter". If you give the item back, the person on the receiving end will feel stupid for falling for it. They will feel "less than". Do you want to be the person who takes away a little bit of someone's sense of confidence? Of their self-worth?

Theoretical is one thing, but getting a burst of dopamine at someone else's expense is treacherous at best.

Well, I specifically said "Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. "

I enjoy pranks and I find the psychological elements and tactics the scammers execute intellectually interesting.

To your point, if you don't know someone well, even if there was a way to ensure they got the item back there is some risk they still feel like shit (although perhaps in the long run you have reduced the chance they feel like shit by putting them on alert for a scam executed for real which would in most cases make them feel way worse). But the risk is there, and that would be a "among other reasons" reason to still not do it.

varangium wrote: 1 hour ago

Knappogue wrote: 2 hours ago

varangium wrote: 3 hours ago

Unpopular opinion - there is a side of me, a prankster side, that enjoys the craft of a good scam for something that doesn't really matter (like a video game).

Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. The prankster side of me wants to do one, but then give the item back, but among other reasons I've never done this, too much risk they get pissed off and leave before I have a chance to do so.

But I appreciate the elements of a good scam (like a magic trick), and knowing these (or experiencing it in something that doesn't really matter like Diablo) is good training for real life.

Key elements:
- Time urgency
- A compelling or too good to be true offer (but depending on the target not so much that they get suspicious)
- Slight of hand / misdirection

In the cases above, we have the compelling offer (although not too good to be true level), and we have the slight of hand / misdirection with the stash full. Time urgency also somewhat comes automatically with a compelling offer.

Note that "time urgency" does not necessarily mean the trade is happening quickly, it's often the opposite. They create time urgency by stalling, pretending the trade won't go through, or other tricks to get you frustrated and trying to click fast to get it over with. They are trying to create urgency on your side.

I remember back in the day (before the long checkbox delay of today), someone tried to scam me by bouncing a

Harlequin Crest

Shako up and down in the trade window, always just fast enough that I couldn't confirm the trade, and then after a while they swapped it out for a

Emerald socketed

Cap

You describe this like the one on the receiving end of your scam is not a real person with feelings and emotions. Surprisingly callous. But I can appreciate you stopping yourself before trying it.

I'd highly caution against testing anything like this. Even if it "doesn't really matter". If you give the item back, the person on the receiving end will feel stupid for falling for it. They will feel "less than". Do you want to be the person who takes away a little bit of someone's sense of confidence? Of their self-worth?

Theoretical is one thing, but getting a burst of dopamine at someone else's expense is treacherous at best.

Well, I specifically said "Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. "

I enjoy pranks and I find the psychological elements and tactics the scammers execute intellectually interesting.

To your point, if you don't know someone well, even if there was a way to ensure they got the item back there is some risk they still feel like shit (although perhaps in the long run you have reduced the chance they feel like shit by putting them on alert for a scam executed for real which would in most cases make them feel way worse). But the risk is there, and that would be a "among other reasons" reason to still not do it.