Well it happened, I got scammed.

I just traded 4 statue sets for an Enigma that was swapped out last second, I should have hovered over it again. I don't wish to beg but if anyone has an extra I'd really appreciate it, but it's only a game so no sweat if not.

In game name was [removed by moderator]. I feel like an idiot.

If you're on now, I can give you an Enigma. Add me on bnet to choose your base.

human_being lives up to their name tenfold. You are truly kind.

Sucks to be scammed. It's good there's people around who can have your back. : )

I know you already said this, but to others *always* double check the item you’re buying is the item you were shown, even if it’s not a complete swap like Enigma

Archon Plate ->

Archon Plate it could be lowered stats instead. I’ve seen people swap a perfect Griffon’s eye

Diadem for a trash one

20 years ago I traded a perfect Hoto for a

Mephisto's Soulstone. This scheme will never work on me again.

In the end, I feel sorry for that guy. Imagine how pitiful their lives must be if they have to scam someone on such a game for a digital item that is worth just a few cents. It's really sad.

I went ahead and removed the name from the OP. Please note that we do not condone public calling-out, shaming or witch hunts here as it is ultimately solely your word against theirs (or just your word as they're not here to defend themselves) with no proof in either direction. Additionally, if you're burning the char name, rather than b.net tag, you're effectively starting a witch hunt against multiple people as those names aren't unique or limited to one person.

That said, ALWAYS double-check the item in the trade window before hitting accept and NEVER agree to drop-trades with someone you don't already know and fully trust.

Triumphant wrote: 18 hours ago

I just traded 4 statue sets for an Enigma that was swapped out last second, I should have hovered over it again. I don't wish to beg but if anyone has an extra I'd really appreciate it, but it's only a game so no sweat if not.

In game name was [removed by moderator]. I feel like an idiot.

So let me get this straight, order of operation wise...you placed the statue sets in the trade window, they put the Enigma in the trade window, you checked stats on the Enigma and before you were able to click the green check button they swapped it out? Or did they wait until they saw your check button turn green then swapped it out? Is that how this scam works?

Seems odd (or buggy) that the window wouldn't cancel out if any items were altered after initial placement in the trade window but I haven't tested this out or have even considered this to be a possibility. Some people really do suck at life. If they will cheat in a stupid computer game, imagine what they're capable of IRL. Zero code or moral/ethical compass.

Sorry for your loss, man, but it looks like you've already been taken care of. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Rhaegar86 wrote: 6 hours ago

So let me get this straight, order of operation wise...you placed the statue sets in the trade window, they put the Enigma in the trade window, you checked stats on the Enigma and before you were able to click the green check button they swapped it out? Or did they wait until they saw your check button turn green then swapped it out? Is that how this scam works?

Seems odd (or buggy) that the window wouldn't cancel out if any items were altered after initial placement in the trade window but I haven't tested this out or have even considered this to be a possibility

When you move any item in the trade window the check box turns red for the other player and you have to wait 10 seconds or so (at least it's supposed to)

I think what happened with op is that, scammer first placed a real Enigma in the window, scammer said "oops i need space", pretended to go to stash, came back and placed a plain white item of the same base in the new window hoping op wouldn't mouse over it

When checking and double-checking an item don't just check the name. Also check the stats. I tried buying a perfect Fortitude the other day. Guy tried to pull the same crap. When he replaced the item it WAS a Fortitude, but a poorly rolled one. Not the item I was trying to buy.

I laughed at him and told him to eat a dick. I absolutely love it when scammers get mad that their scam didn't work. Then they try to blame you for scamming them. Talk about projecting.

Yea i had someone try that with a grand charm. Swapped out a 40 lifer with a 20 lifer of the same type hoping I wouldn't notice.

I gave them a ton of crap before they exited. Why people want to screw with other people in a game is somewhat beyond me. We're supposed to be having fun.

kerph wrote: 6 hours ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 6 hours ago

So let me get this straight, order of operation wise...you placed the statue sets in the trade window, they put the Enigma in the trade window, you checked stats on the Enigma and before you were able to click the green check button they swapped it out? Or did they wait until they saw your check button turn green then swapped it out? Is that how this scam works?

Seems odd (or buggy) that the window wouldn't cancel out if any items were altered after initial placement in the trade window but I haven't tested this out or have even considered this to be a possibility

When you move any item in the trade window the check box turns red for the other player and you have to wait 10 seconds or so (at least it's supposed to)

I think what happened with op is that, scammer first placed a real Enigma in the window, scammer said "oops i need space", pretended to go to stash, came back and placed a plain white item of the same base in the new window hoping op wouldn't mouse over it

Yep that’s the blunder. This site has me so trusting of people because on here people can be trusted 99% of the time in my experience. This was just a lobby I made and they joined. It wasn’t even in my mind that this could happen to me. I was actually dumbfounded. I couldn’t even believe how casual the scam was. Just another Monday for that turd.

departure wrote: 6 hours ago

Yea i had someone try that with a grand charm. Swapped out a 40 lifer with a 20 lifer of the same type hoping I wouldn't notice.

I gave them a ton of crap before they exited. Why people want to screw with other people in a game is somewhat beyond me. We're supposed to be having fun.

Knappogue wrote: 6 hours ago

When checking and double-checking an item don't just check the name. Also check the stats. I tried buying a perfect Fortitude the other day. Guy tried to pull the same crap. When he replaced the item it WAS a Fortitude, but a poorly rolled one. Not the item I was trying to buy.

I laughed at him and told him to eat a dick. I absolutely love it when scammers get mad that their scam didn't work. Then they try to blame you for scamming them. Talk about projecting.

Hobbies for the morally/ethically bankrupt

excuse me for kind of bypassing the initial post here, since they've already been taken care of.
But you can sell 4 statue sets for an Enigma? I didn't know they were worth that much. I've been offline for over a year now so i haven't done any trades for a long time.

I had met the same trick a few weeks ago,
while we could still trade 3 worusk for

Jah ;D Luckily I did check the "Enigma" again b4 clicking the green tick
because by that moment I had been tricked already by someone else who swapped latent sunder with a legend sunder.

Rhaegar86 wrote: 6 hours ago

Triumphant wrote: 18 hours ago

I just traded 4 statue sets for an Enigma that was swapped out last second, I should have hovered over it again. I don't wish to beg but if anyone has an extra I'd really appreciate it, but it's only a game so no sweat if not.

In game name was [removed by moderator]. I feel like an idiot.

So let me get this straight, order of operation wise...you placed the statue sets in the trade window, they put the Enigma in the trade window, you checked stats on the Enigma and before you were able to click the green check button they swapped it out? Or did they wait until they saw your check button turn green then swapped it out? Is that how this scam works?

Seems odd (or buggy) that the window wouldn't cancel out if any items were altered after initial placement in the trade window but I haven't tested this out or have even considered this to be a possibility. Some people really do suck at life. If they will cheat in a stupid computer game, imagine what they're capable of IRL. Zero code or moral/ethical compass.

Sorry for your loss, man, but it looks like you've already been taken care of. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

The window swap trade should NOT work on anyone anymore due to once an item gets moved in the trade window, the check button becomes red and uncheck again which then the traders have to reconfirm again on both sides( im pretty sure this how it works)

But sucks the OP did not inspect the trade window once he/she saw the item got moved…

Unpopular opinion - there is a side of me, a prankster side, that enjoys the craft of a good scam for something that doesn't really matter (like a video game).

Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. The prankster side of me wants to do one, but then give the item back, but among other reasons I've never done this, too much risk they get pissed off and leave before I have a chance to do so.

But I appreciate the elements of a good scam (like a magic trick), and knowing these (or experiencing it in something that doesn't really matter like Diablo) is good training for real life.

Key elements:
- Time urgency
- A compelling or too good to be true offer (but depending on the target not so much that they get suspicious)
- Slight of hand / misdirection

In the cases above, we have the compelling offer (although not too good to be true level), and we have the slight of hand / misdirection with the stash full. Time urgency also somewhat comes automatically with a compelling offer.

Note that "time urgency" does not necessarily mean the trade is happening quickly, it's often the opposite. They create time urgency by stalling, pretending the trade won't go through, or other tricks to get you frustrated and trying to click fast to get it over with. They are trying to create urgency on your side.

I remember back in the day (before the long checkbox delay of today), someone tried to scam me by bouncing a

Harlequin Crest

Shako up and down in the trade window, always just fast enough that I couldn't confirm the trade, and then after a while they swapped it out for a

Emerald socketed

Cap

Spectie wrote: 4 hours ago

excuse me for kind of bypassing the initial post here, since they've already been taken care of.
But you can sell 4 statue sets for an Enigma? I didn't know they were worth that much. I've been offline for over a year now so i haven't done any trades for a long time.

Statue values are not set in Stone, used to be higher on patch release. I got fairly rich farming

Baal statues to sell. Now I don't expect any more than a

Jah for 3 sets. They're just annoying to farm, especially if none of your characters can TP.

Korlic and Worusk being the most annoying. Sounds like drop rates are about to be lowered as well.

varangium wrote: 2 hours ago

Unpopular opinion - there is a side of me, a prankster side, that enjoys the craft of a good scam for something that doesn't really matter (like a video game).

Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. The prankster side of me wants to do one, but then give the item back, but among other reasons I've never done this, too much risk they get pissed off and leave before I have a chance to do so.

But I appreciate the elements of a good scam (like a magic trick), and knowing these (or experiencing it in something that doesn't really matter like Diablo) is good training for real life.

Key elements:
- Time urgency
- A compelling or too good to be true offer (but depending on the target not so much that they get suspicious)
- Slight of hand / misdirection

In the cases above, we have the compelling offer (although not too good to be true level), and we have the slight of hand / misdirection with the stash full. Time urgency also somewhat comes automatically with a compelling offer.

Note that "time urgency" does not necessarily mean the trade is happening quickly, it's often the opposite. They create time urgency by stalling, pretending the trade won't go through, or other tricks to get you frustrated and trying to click fast to get it over with. They are trying to create urgency on your side.

I remember back in the day (before the long checkbox delay of today), someone tried to scam me by bouncing a

Harlequin Crest

Shako up and down in the trade window, always just fast enough that I couldn't confirm the trade, and then after a while they swapped it out for a

Emerald socketed

Cap

You describe this like the one on the receiving end of your scam is not a real person with feelings and emotions. Surprisingly callous. But I can appreciate you stopping yourself before trying it.

I'd highly caution against testing anything like this. Even if it "doesn't really matter". If you give the item back, the person on the receiving end will feel stupid for falling for it. They will feel "less than". Do you want to be the person who takes away a little bit of someone's sense of confidence? Of their self-worth?

Theoretical is one thing, but getting a burst of dopamine at someone else's expense is treacherous at best.

Knappogue wrote: 1 hour ago

varangium wrote: 2 hours ago

Unpopular opinion - there is a side of me, a prankster side, that enjoys the craft of a good scam for something that doesn't really matter (like a video game).

Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. The prankster side of me wants to do one, but then give the item back, but among other reasons I've never done this, too much risk they get pissed off and leave before I have a chance to do so.

But I appreciate the elements of a good scam (like a magic trick), and knowing these (or experiencing it in something that doesn't really matter like Diablo) is good training for real life.

Key elements:
- Time urgency
- A compelling or too good to be true offer (but depending on the target not so much that they get suspicious)
- Slight of hand / misdirection

In the cases above, we have the compelling offer (although not too good to be true level), and we have the slight of hand / misdirection with the stash full. Time urgency also somewhat comes automatically with a compelling offer.

Note that "time urgency" does not necessarily mean the trade is happening quickly, it's often the opposite. They create time urgency by stalling, pretending the trade won't go through, or other tricks to get you frustrated and trying to click fast to get it over with. They are trying to create urgency on your side.

I remember back in the day (before the long checkbox delay of today), someone tried to scam me by bouncing a

Harlequin Crest

Shako up and down in the trade window, always just fast enough that I couldn't confirm the trade, and then after a while they swapped it out for a

Emerald socketed

Cap

You describe this like the one on the receiving end of your scam is not a real person with feelings and emotions. Surprisingly callous. But I can appreciate you stopping yourself before trying it.

I'd highly caution against testing anything like this. Even if it "doesn't really matter". If you give the item back, the person on the receiving end will feel stupid for falling for it. They will feel "less than". Do you want to be the person who takes away a little bit of someone's sense of confidence? Of their self-worth?

Theoretical is one thing, but getting a burst of dopamine at someone else's expense is treacherous at best.

Well, I specifically said "Now, I don't enjoy making people feel like shit, so I have never done one. "

I enjoy pranks and I find the psychological elements and tactics the scammers execute intellectually interesting.

To your point, if you don't know someone well, even if there was a way to ensure they got the item back there is some risk they still feel like shit (although perhaps in the long run you have reduced the chance they feel like shit by putting them on alert for a scam executed for real which would in most cases make them feel way worse). But the risk is there, and that would be a "among other reasons" reason to still not do it.