Frenzy-Barb - Offhand

hey Guys,

I´m running a

Frenzy Barb, becuase I´m a scrub and that´s what I played as a kid.
If you check for guides on

Frenzy Barbs, they all say

Arreat's Face,

Highlord's Wrath, Grief (mainhand), xy (offhand), Fortitude,

Verdungo's Hearty Cord,

Gore Rider,

Laying of Hands, and two rings with dualleech and CBF. Not to mention the 2x +3 Warcry-weapons for the weapon switch.
I´m "fairly" close to that, missing "only"

Highlord's Wrath, Fortitude,

Verdungo's Hearty Cord and an offhand. For now I´m using a rare Amu,

The Gladiator's Bane (I´m a big fan here!) and a

String of Ears.
And I need an offhand. For now I´m using

Schaefer's Hammer, just for the static, AR-Boost, Lightning-res and because I dont have anything better.

I was thinking about Unbending Will, just because it´s cheap but I doubt it can compete with

Schaefer's Hammer. You got any other idea´s for my offhand that aren´t too expensive? The next big things are Highlords and Fortitude, so I need something affordable for my offhand.

Lawbringer is a nice cheap option. Oath is also quite good, though it's a little more on the expensive side.

go for Lawbringer in

Phase Blade, and i'd stick to

String of Ears for the

Belt

Both Oath and Lawbringer sounds nice, I guess is try both of them.

The downside is Lawbringer has Slain Monsters Rest In Peace so no horking.

Yeah, but I´m running a fair bit of

Nihlathak anyway and I´m using a

Nature's Peace and a

Wisp Projector for now.
For Trav I could always go back to Schaefer´s Hammer if needed.

I use Breath of the Dying as my offhand. Lightsaber,

Azurewrath or Lawbringer could be fairly cheap substitutes until you get something better. A lot of people like Death also.

According to the results of calculations and tests, the following was determined

Base dps:
Grief/Grief = 76,856
Grief/Death = 71,408
Beast/Death = 57,832

Time to kill

Baal:
Grief/Grief = 16.40s
Grief/Death = 14.59s
Beast/Death = 15.77s

Any other options will always be unambiguously worse.

Lawbringer is a great, cheap offhand choice, as others mentioned. I'd also skip Fort and save up for Enigma.

Teleport > extra damage.

Azurewrath and

Lightsabre are other decent, affordable offhands.

Tess wrote: 2 years ago

According to the results of calculations and tests, the following was determined

Base dps:
Grief/Grief = 76,856
Grief/Death = 71,408
Beast/Death = 57,832

Time to kill

Baal:
Grief/Grief = 16.40s
Grief/Death = 14.59s
Beast/Death = 15.77s

Any other options will always be unambiguously worse.

First off, if you quote me on numbers, you should also include the plethora of disclaimers that were part of those numbers. They're far from the "one and only truth". Plus you should include the background to those numbers. There were no tests, they're based on simple maxroll planner math/numbers.

Second, I would challenge that last sentence. Any other options weren't part of that comparison and may be worse or may be far superior, depending on what you're doing with them.

Schnorki wrote:

First off, if you quote me on numbers, you should also include the plethora of disclaimers that were part of those numbers. They're far from the "one and only truth". Plus you should include the background to those numbers. There were no tests, they're based on simple maxroll planner math/numbers.

Second, I would challenge that last sentence. Any other options weren't part of that comparison and may be worse or may be far superior, depending on what you're doing with them.

In the scientific field, it is customary to believe that the result obtained is the ultimate truth until another result is obtained that would disprove the first one.

So I use your results in good conscience for the simple reason that there is no one yet who can challenge them. If anyone ever tries to challenge your results, then this may be the basis for repeated more thorough studies.

I also argue that any other combinations are obviously worse. And this statement of mine can be considered true (or close to the truth) until someone can prove the opposite.

Tess wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote:

First off, if you quote me on numbers, you should also include the plethora of disclaimers that were part of those numbers. They're far from the "one and only truth". Plus you should include the background to those numbers. There were no tests, they're based on simple maxroll planner math/numbers.

Second, I would challenge that last sentence. Any other options weren't part of that comparison and may be worse or may be far superior, depending on what you're doing with them.

In the scientific field, it is customary to believe that the result obtained is the ultimate truth until another result is obtained that would disprove the first one.

So I use your results in good conscience for the simple reason that there is no one yet who can challenge them. If anyone ever tries to challenge your results, then this may be the basis for repeated more thorough studies.

I also argue that any other combinations are obviously worse. And this statement of mine can be considered true (or close to the truth) until someone can prove the opposite.

Not to completely derail this but speaking as an actual trained scientist...good lord that made me cringe.

In an actual, professional scientific field, results obtained are viewed in context of method, variables and so forth (overly simplifying here). No self-respecting scientist would ever go "this one thing once said x = 4 so the solution to any equation looking for x must be 4" (which is basically what you're doing here).

To translate this back to D2:R, with a very easy example of why context and variables are important:
Go play in an area with a bunch of phys immunes. Grief/Grief is gonna suck. Hard. Anything with a decrep proc on the other hand will leave you happily wrecking along. Similarly, even

Azurewrath will beat the living daylights out of Grief in that scenario.
Context matters. Variables matter.

Simple example #2:
Change nearly any one thing of the loadout i used to get those numbers and they all change (possibly quite significantly). Context matters. Variables matter.

Simple, more applicable, example #3:
If you build out something closer to the gear described by the OP here, then Grief/Grief and Grief/Death both lose in

Baal kill time (i.e. one of your out-of-context-quotes) to something as silly as a Zod4Ber

Eth.

Rune Master. Context matters. Variables matter.

Add me if you want a free Oath barlog

Blade to try (req 177 str 75 dex)

I run Lawbringer on my

Frenzy barb, great for survivability. But another option to consider (especially if you use axes) is

Gimmershred, the elemental damage is unparalleled.

If your into maces astreon’s iron

Ward is pretty good.

For unique swords,

Headstriker hits pretty hard.

It depends what play style your going for: kill speed, safety, or mf? You can choose one for each

Hey guys,

I´m running with Fortitude and the Oath for aegis200 and the damage

Ist really great, but hitting with swords just feels nor right, the Hammers I used beforehand had a better feel..

I got another Question now:
I use a Act2 Merc with

Blessed Aim, because without my chance to hit is just so abysmal (around 60-70%). Do I miss sth. or do I just need to have an inventory full of small AR-Charms?

shrodo wrote: 2 years ago

Hey guys,

I´m running with Fortitude and the Oath for aegis200 and the damage

Ist really great, but hitting with swords just feels nor right, the Hammers I used beforehand had a better feel..

I got another Question now:
I use a Act2 Merc with

Blessed Aim, because without my chance to hit is just so abysmal (around 60-70%). Do I miss sth. or do I just need to have an inventory full of small AR-Charms?

For normal pvm 10k attack rating should be enough, get some Steel grand charm with around 120 attack rating each, this will greatly increase your hit chance. I wouldn t waste too many points in dex