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After my Frenzy barb turned out amazing - running dual BA with Grief and LW and Hustle and Lawbringer on Merc I am trying to gear my Fury Druid who is 52 now and coming of item bearing age.

What I gathered is that Mauls or Axes is what I want:

Thunder Maul: 33-180 - avg. 106.5 - Speed 20 - only BotD
Decapitator: 49-137 - avg. 93 - Speed 10 - only Death
Glorious Axe: 60-124 - avg. 92 - Speed 10 - Death, BotD
Silver-Edged Axe: 62-110 - avg. 86 - Speed 0 - only Death
Champion Axe: 59-94 - avg. 76.5 - Speed -10 - Death, BotD

BotD brings 60 IAS, 375 ed on average
Death brings 0 IAS, 342.5 ed on average, 50% cb and ~40% ds

I understand that I want to reach 4+(3)+5 with all weapons if possible.

IAS needed:
Weapon No bear buff Bear buff Fana 1+Bear Fana 12+Bear
Champion Axe 105 42 20 0
Silver-Edged Axe 147 63 35 11
Decapitator 208 89 54 24
Thunder Maul N/A 125 78 40
Max IAS I managed to come up with on gear was 75: andy+IAS, highlords, gloves - as Fortitude seems a given.
Merc options there are basically 3: Pride+might, Frenzy Hustle+Lawbringer, Faith.

the table below states the base damage percentage from 18 frames Thunder Maul
------ 18 19 20 23
Thunder Maul 100% 94.73% 90.00% 78.26%
Decapitator 87.32% 82.73% 78.59% 68.34%
silver edged Axe 80.75% 76.50% 72.68% 63.20%
Champion Axe 71.83% 68.05% 64.65% 56.22%
So now the question becomes what it makes sense to Sacrifice for Thunder Maul IAS requirements.
Since base damage get's multiplied by all ed% factors we only need to look at Merc opportunity costs for now.
------ Pride (18) + Might Merc (19) (no IAS help) Dual LW Merc (no IAS help) Hustle + LW/LawB (Fana 1 IAS help) Faith Merc (Fana 12 help)
%ED 565% 370% 25%/245% 127%
Other considerations none Life Tap Life Tap / Decrepify none
Now I will try to revisit the first table for prohibitive/best setup
Thunder Maul Decapitator (glorious for BotD) Silver-Edged Axe Champion Axe
Needs Bear Buff, needs Hustle for BotD (max ed merc: 245%) Needs Bear Buff for BotD (max ed merc: 565), needs Hustle for Death (max ed merc: 245%) needs Hustle for Death (max ed merc: 245%) Gear IAS enough for BotD (max ed merc: 565),needs Hustle for Death (max ed merc: 245%
Okay - now I will try to translate the setups into average dmg with the following assumptions:
1. only 18 frame setups considered (else it gets too messy)
2. ed without merc is assumed as: 1442% --> 300% forti, 746% from 39 Fury, 200% str, 196% from 26 HoW
3. weapon ed 342.5% for Death and 375% for BotD
4. DS I assume 45% for Death and 33.75% for Highlords and 15% from Gores, 10% from gloves
--- Thunder Maul Decapitator/GA Silver-Edged Axe Champion Axe
avg dmg Eth BotD 599 523 484 430
avg dmg Eth Death -- 477 442 393
Now total average damage per strike with 18 frame setups:
--- Thunder Maul Decapitator/GA Silver-Edged Axe Champion Axe
avg dmg Eth BotD (base/with DS) 10105/16041 --> Huste/LW 10496/16663 --> Might/Pride N/A 8630/13700 --> Might/Pride
avg dmg Eth Death -- 8064/16093 --> Hustle/LW 7456/14913 --> Hustle / LW 6629/13259 --> Hustle / LW
avg dmg Eth Death/ BotD with Lawbringer 8787/13914/20872--> Hustle/LB 6997/13995/20992--> Hustle/LB 6484/12968/19452--> Hustle / LB 5765/11530/17295--> Hustle / LB
Presuming I didn't do major mistakes for me that would mean Champion's Axe and Silver-Edged Axe don't need to be considered.
Max dmg. would be a eDeath on a Thunder Maul closely followed by a eBotD on a Decapitator with a Pride/might merc.

What I have not considered is Decrepify you get get with a Hustle/Lawbringer setup - you lose Life Tap and 225% ed but win 50% total dmg - probably preferable (and cheaper). With Decrepify you can either choose eBotD in a Thundermaul or eDeath in a Decapitator - I guess it is a question of style.

As a bonus as I like LW I will do GA and Thunder Maul for LW :D Thunder Maul will need Faith Merc - so does GA - only guy that can do it without is Champions Axe.
--- Thunder Maul Glorious Axe Champion Axe
avg dmg LW 375 328 270
avg dmg Eth BotD (base/with DS) 6633/10504 --> Faith 5802/9187 --> Faith 5418/8580/9408--> Might+Pride/Hustle+LB
... and to have it all complete at last a Grief / Phoenix - though I haven't figure out yet if shield block will break your Fury:

avg dmg: 393 --> 14823 with might/Pride and 12552/18828 with Hustle/LB (LW/LB doesn't make much sense)

There are of course more possibilities for example TM on 19 FPS with Pride + Might running a respectable 18033 dmg - would even allow you to wear atmas or draculs - not sure how relevant 5% are on such a small area though.
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xigua 68

After my Frenzy barb turned out amazing - running dual BA with Grief and LW and Hustle and Lawbringer on Merc I am trying to gear my Fury Druid who is 52 now and coming of item bearing age.

What I gathered is that Mauls or Axes is what I want:

Thunder Maul: 33-180 - avg. 106.5 - Speed 20 - only BotD
Decapitator: 49-137 - avg. 93 - Speed 10 - only Death
Glorious Axe: 60-124 - avg. 92 - Speed 10 - Death, BotD
Silver-Edged Axe: 62-110 - avg. 86 - Speed 0 - only Death
Champion Axe: 59-94 - avg. 76.5 - Speed -10 - Death, BotD

BotD brings 60 IAS, 375 ed on average
Death brings 0 IAS, 342.5 ed on average, 50% cb and ~40% ds

I understand that I want to reach 4+(3)+5 with all weapons if possible.

IAS needed:
Weapon No bear buff Bear buff Fana 1+Bear Fana 12+Bear
Champion Axe 105 42 20 0
Silver-Edged Axe 147 63 35 11
Decapitator 208 89 54 24
Thunder Maul N/A 125 78 40
Max IAS I managed to come up with on gear was 75: andy+IAS, highlords, gloves - as Fortitude seems a given.
Merc options there are basically 3: Pride+might, Frenzy Hustle+Lawbringer, Faith.

the table below states the base damage percentage from 18 frames Thunder Maul
------ 18 19 20 23
Thunder Maul 100% 94.73% 90.00% 78.26%
Decapitator 87.32% 82.73% 78.59% 68.34%
silver edged Axe 80.75% 76.50% 72.68% 63.20%
Champion Axe 71.83% 68.05% 64.65% 56.22%
So now the question becomes what it makes sense to Sacrifice for Thunder Maul IAS requirements.
Since base damage get's multiplied by all ed% factors we only need to look at Merc opportunity costs for now.
------ Pride (18) + Might Merc (19) (no IAS help) Dual LW Merc (no IAS help) Hustle + LW/LawB (Fana 1 IAS help) Faith Merc (Fana 12 help)
%ED 565% 370% 25%/245% 127%
Other considerations none Life Tap Life Tap / Decrepify none
Now I will try to revisit the first table for prohibitive/best setup
Thunder Maul Decapitator (glorious for BotD) Silver-Edged Axe Champion Axe
Needs Bear Buff, needs Hustle for BotD (max ed merc: 245%) Needs Bear Buff for BotD (max ed merc: 565), needs Hustle for Death (max ed merc: 245%) needs Hustle for Death (max ed merc: 245%) Gear IAS enough for BotD (max ed merc: 565),needs Hustle for Death (max ed merc: 245%
Okay - now I will try to translate the setups into average dmg with the following assumptions:
1. only 18 frame setups considered (else it gets too messy)
2. ed without merc is assumed as: 1442% --> 300% forti, 746% from 39 Fury, 200% str, 196% from 26 HoW
3. weapon ed 342.5% for Death and 375% for BotD
4. DS I assume 45% for Death and 33.75% for Highlords and 15% from Gores, 10% from gloves
--- Thunder Maul Decapitator/GA Silver-Edged Axe Champion Axe
avg dmg Eth BotD 599 523 484 430
avg dmg Eth Death -- 477 442 393
Now total average damage per strike with 18 frame setups:
--- Thunder Maul Decapitator/GA Silver-Edged Axe Champion Axe
avg dmg Eth BotD (base/with DS) 10105/16041 --> Huste/LW 10496/16663 --> Might/Pride N/A 8630/13700 --> Might/Pride
avg dmg Eth Death -- 8064/16093 --> Hustle/LW 7456/14913 --> Hustle / LW 6629/13259 --> Hustle / LW
avg dmg Eth Death/ BotD with Lawbringer 8787/13914/20872--> Hustle/LB 6997/13995/20992--> Hustle/LB 6484/12968/19452--> Hustle / LB 5765/11530/17295--> Hustle / LB
Presuming I didn't do major mistakes for me that would mean Champion's Axe and Silver-Edged Axe don't need to be considered.
Max dmg. would be a eDeath on a Thunder Maul closely followed by a eBotD on a Decapitator with a Pride/might merc.

What I have not considered is Decrepify you get get with a Hustle/Lawbringer setup - you lose Life Tap and 225% ed but win 50% total dmg - probably preferable (and cheaper). With Decrepify you can either choose eBotD in a Thundermaul or eDeath in a Decapitator - I guess it is a question of style.

As a bonus as I like LW I will do GA and Thunder Maul for LW :D Thunder Maul will need Faith Merc - so does GA - only guy that can do it without is Champions Axe.
--- Thunder Maul Glorious Axe Champion Axe
avg dmg LW 375 328 270
avg dmg Eth BotD (base/with DS) 6633/10504 --> Faith 5802/9187 --> Faith 5418/8580/9408--> Might+Pride/Hustle+LB
... and to have it all complete at last a Grief / Phoenix - though I haven't figure out yet if shield block will break your Fury:

avg dmg: 393 --> 14823 with might/Pride and 12552/18828 with Hustle/LB (LW/LB doesn't make much sense)

There are of course more possibilities for example TM on 19 FPS with Pride + Might running a respectable 18033 dmg - would even allow you to wear atmas or draculs - not sure how relevant 5% are on such a small area though.
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You can always nudge IAS a little bit with something like Sigon gloves + Boots/ Belt (and have +30 instead of +20), Death's Disguise gloves+ Belt (30 IAS + 15 all res + CBF) or even push it further with something like Sigon gloves + Boots + Nosferatu's Coil (+40 IAS) which can make a difference for those kind of builds with not-that-much-loss on other stats. :)

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If you play P1, everything works. I tried most of the weapons that are considered private BiS and I like eDeath Decap and Eth The Reaper's Toll best. If you really are obsessed about ias then making Hustle on a Thresher and use it on swap to get Burst of Speed could be good idea. Also Hustle armor is perfect for that matter.

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xigua 68

well ... my wall of text basically says eDeath Decap or eBotD Thunder Maul with Frenzy Hustle/LB Merc are more or less the same damage-wise.
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xigua 68

just rolled my Death in a Decapitator and officially have my first 4 digit weapon - no merc at all yet and it melts things ... a lot of fun. Thanks to whoever suggested eDeath.
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