The "no stupid questions" thread

ganseng wrote: 21 hours ago

thx.. after observing him a bit, I think he does hit 3 times with Jab, and he jabs quite often, maybe 50% of the time (lvl 84 currently)

vued wrote: 22 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

if emilio has 10 frames per Jab as per calculator, does he hit once per 10 frames or three times per 10 frames? does he always Jab?
is the dmg shown in his tooltip (e.g. 3k-7.5k) after Jab ed bonus?

For an Amazon it's the speed for 3 jabs.

For the A2 I assume it's per Jab because he would otherwise attack so super fast and I never saw that. (My guess here is that Amazon has a special hab animation and Merc just attacks 3 times)

Merc does not always use Jab. He uses Jab, normal attack, or activates his aura (only in case it's not active).

The frequency depends on his level. If you want to know how often he hab's, you have to take these numbers and divide the frequency value for jabs by the sun of frequency values of the available skills.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=38994239

ShadowHeart wrote: 3 hours ago

vued wrote: 3 hours ago

Is attack rating needed on a magezon?

Or more precisely: When you "hit" a target, can you Pierce even when you fail the chance to hit roll?
I read somewhere you have to successfully hit to have a chance to Pierce, which is needed to trigger a second hit after the first target and to have a 2nd frost/fire explosion. But I don't know if that's correct and I'm still not sure after trying to observe my pierces.

It’s supposed to work like that - where a successful hit check is required for piercing to also be successful. But both are rolled separately, and if something is a miss but the pierce roll is successful, the projectile will appear to pierce and even create graphical effects - but it has no actual effect.

From Amazon Basin on Pierce & Piercing Attack:

• If a hit check is not successful but piercing is successful, the missile may appear to pierce its target and even display graphical effects, but it doesn't actually do so: damage and modifiers are not applied to subsequent targets.

I.e., if you’re trying to test this, you can’t rely solely on visual effects, you need to actually check if the subsequent targets were damaged.

I wonder if anyone has actually tested this thoroughly in D2R.

NaglFarfar wrote: 1 hour ago

vued wrote: 1 hour ago

ShadowHeart wrote: 3 hours ago

It’s supposed to work like that - where a successful hit check is required for piercing to also be successful. But both are rolled separately, and if something is a miss but the pierce roll is successful, the projectile will appear to pierce and even create graphical effects - but it has no actual effect.

From Amazon Basin on Pierce & Piercing Attack:



I.e., if you’re trying to test this, you can’t rely solely on visual effects, you need to actually check if the subsequent targets were damaged.

I wonder if anyone has actually tested this thoroughly in D2R.

Problem is I don't have 100% right now on my magezon which made testing hard.
Will get it up and test. I have low AR anyways so it should be easy to get a missed hit and as a result, no Pierce damage.

A good taget for repeated testing of splash effects could be Stormtree at the Flayer Jungle / Lower Kurast gate, his pack usually stick tightly together and are easy to find. They are cold immune so you need a sunder, but their resulting high cold resist might actually be an asset - it is easier to reliably see the difference between 20 and 30 shots (to kill the pack) than between 2 and 3 shots.

I used him when testing whether Kuko Shakaku or Blood Raven's Charge was better for my dual element magezon, which uses normal attacks to shoot mana-free synergized explosive Arrows. The bows performed very similarly, which was also predicted by their respective stats.