I think I'd prefer not to see greater rifts in D2R.RackAnewShoe wrote: 4 hours agoOne of the things I would like to see D2R add is an endgame high-density region. Not another grind for keys to cube other keys to get access. Just an area available after Baal than sends absolute hordes of enemies to churn through. It would start with Act 1 monsters and work it's way up through the game until facing a mass of monsters from the whole game and it's really just a matter of seeing how long you survive. No super item at completion. Just doing the area is the reward.
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He's one of the biggest streamer/video publisher on the game. I'm a casual player with a job and a family. Of course, he's long finished the things I'm still trying to finish (like having lvl99, Holy Grail etc) and is looking for bigger challenges, more entertaining for him and his audience. Which, as I said, offline mode is great for.departure wrote: 4 hours agoI would suggest that you consider Mr. Llama's take on offline, as he almost exclusively plays offline and recommends it highly.
I watched Mr. Llama for a time, maybe I even watched the video you're referencing. His Conviction level just wasn't high enough for me.
I don't think it works like that. If I'm not in the target audience for that part, it's not a loss if I ignore it.departure wrote: 4 hours agoLike I said, online is fantastic. Offline is also fantastic. Pretending that one of them sucks is losing half of what D2 has to offer
I'm not even trying to say that offline mode is universally bad or something like that. It's just that every time I see an attempt to explain how offline is supposedly better than online, I'm getting genuinely stumped. “You can't trade in a game where droprates are designed around trade.” Huh? It just sounds absurd when I read it. And it's not even an exclusive feature of the mode: you can choose not to trade online as well, if you want the challenge. “You can manipulate stuff to make mind-numbing farm, required to overcome the absence of trade (for which droprates were designed), easier.” Gee, thanks.
I can understand that some people are bored of the base game and want flexibility, guess I myself just not there yet.
Ok sure. If you don't like it you don't like it and there's nothing lost for you personally. But for a lot of us it is genuinely amazing and for me personally offline is at least 50% of the experience it has to offer. You don't have to like all of D2, you don't have to like D2 at all in fact. I'm just here to say that you're missing out on something that I personally find to be one of if not THE greatest games ever built. Yes you can access it online, but offline is a very different experience.Altera wrote: 3 hours agoI don't think it works like that. If I'm not in the target audience for that part, it's not a loss if I ignore it.
That's what players X and re-used maps is all about. I don't think that offline is actually just poorly designed from a drop rate perspective. I find the drop rates offline to be excellent. Assuming that they didn't build the game for offline mode is not warranted. They did, and it works great.Altera wrote: 3 hours agoI'm getting genuinely stumped. “You can't trade in a game where droprates are designed around trade.” Huh? It just sounds absurd when I read it.
No, you can't really make online the same as offline - mostly because you can't control the player count. But also because the maps are not re-used. You're actually just coming off as not really understanding how the offline game works.Altera wrote: 3 hours agoAnd it's not even an exclusive feature of the mode: you can choose not to trade online as well, if you want the challenge. “You can manipulate stuff to make mind-numbing farm, required to overcome the absence of trade (for which droprates were designed), easier.” Gee, thanks.
I really don't think it's fair to say that this is born from boredom of the base game. In fact, if I were going to call something the base game, I'd call offline the base game. I don't think offline offers more flexibility (unless you customize items in). I think offline actually offers a lot LESS flexibility in terms of items in that you have to find literally everything you use. The only place where it adds flexibility is in controlling the player count and customizing the map (through re-rolling of the map). And those are absolutely fantastic features compared to the online experience.Altera wrote: 3 hours agoI can understand that some people are bored of the base game and want flexibility, guess I myself just not there yet.
Offline you can gear a character for P8 content and then actually play that P8 content on demand. It's quite nice.
“players X” was always a crutch, IIRC. It wasn't intended originally as a difficulty setting, only D2R made it semi-official. Map manipulation is, well, manipulation. I'd understand “never persisting maps” for MP and “always persisting maps” for SP, the fact that you can reroll maps in SP by switching difficulty and then use them as persistent feels like an oversight more than a feature.departure wrote: 2 hours agoThat's what players X and re-used maps is all about. I don't think that offline is actually just poorly designed from a drop rate perspective.
Droprates in offline mode were ported from LoD, which didn't have an offline mode: your local characters could be also played in MP via TCP/IP or Open B.net, so the trade was always a possibility there. Doing nothing except cutting off TCP/IP is not a “design tailored to offline mode”, IMO.
Why are you suddenly lumping everything about offline against what I said about trading specifically? You're not even correct: split-farming exists in the online lobby, and a bunch of good maps are either fixed (e.g. CS, Trav, Cow level) or can be bypassed most of the time by map reading tricks (e.g. Durance level 2, Tower).departure wrote: 2 hours agoNo, you can't really make online the same as offline - mostly because you can't control the player count. But also because the maps are not re-used. You're actually just coming off as not really understanding how the offline game works.
I understand how the offline mode works. I don't understand what's so great about its quirks (except modding).
Wiki says it was introduced (officially) in 2001. With 1.09.Altera wrote: 38 minutes ago“players X” was always a crutch, IIRC. It wasn't intended originally as a difficulty setting, only D2R made it semi-official.
No idea why you'd think that.Altera wrote: 38 minutes agoMap manipulation is, well, manipulation. I'd understand “never persisting maps” for MP and “always persisting maps” for SP, the fact that you can reroll maps in SP by switching difficulty and then use them as persistent feels like an oversight more than a feature.
Didn't have an offline mode because of TCP/IP. Wow. That's a take.Altera wrote: 38 minutes agoDroprates in offline mode were ported from LoD, which didn't have an offline mode: your local characters could be also played in MP via TCP/IP or Open B.net, so the trade was always a possibility there. Doing nothing except cutting off TCP/IP is not a “design tailored to offline mode”, IMO.
D2 has always had an offline mode, and was built around the idea of single player being a way to play (continuing from diablo 1). The existence of the ability to hook your computer up in a LAN party and play D2 with friends (which I did do way back then), is not what drop rates were built around.
This seems like a bad Faith argument.
...because you were saying you could make online act like offline? Again, this feels like a bad Faith argument.Altera wrote: 38 minutes agoWhy are you suddenly lumping everything about offline against what I said about trading specifically?
Yes, you can read maps and it speeds you up. And you can farm trav or cows relatively quickly (though it is still faster offline to do cows). Split farming is really hit or miss online. I've done plenty of it, sometimes it works out. If you're wanting to farm a specific section of the game, not really.Altera wrote: 38 minutes agoYou're not even correct: split-farming exists in the online lobby, and a bunch of good maps are either fixed (e.g. CS, Trav, Cow level) or can be bypassed most of the time by map reading tricks (e.g. Durance level 2, Tower).
It brings super rare drops a bit more back in line. You can't stack up 45 life skillers because you can't find that many... not in 30 years. It really makes you contend with what's actually rare as opposed to what's valuable. A Ber drop does not really affect me offline, whereas I could buy plenty of the things I was looking for with it if I was online. You have to be more purposeful with the game, which is fun in its own way. It rewards you by letting you play a more heavily geared character directly with P8 content wherever you want on a map that you've already scouted - streamlining farming.Altera wrote: 38 minutes agoI understand how the offline mode works. I don't understand what's so great about its quirks (except modding).
I dunno what to tell you. You're obviously dead set on not being convinced. But an offline skiller with life, that just hits different. I've done plenty of online, switching to offline was like rediscovering the game.
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