The most elegant way to kill a herald..

Is to pop the final seal in the

Chaos Sanctuary
he will drop all the loot, including the sunder charm, tested

he will survive if you kill the final guardian though, you have to pop the seal

and the

Herald won't stop diablo from spawning, no worries

Good stuff, I've been seal popping and the

Herald spawns AFTER the final pop, and sometimes I have to go find him. This seems much better lmao

justinman114 wrote: 18 hours ago

Good stuff, I've been seal popping and the

Herald spawns AFTER the final pop, and sometimes I have to go find him. This seems much better lmao

Can you explain this a bit more? Is this some kind of cheat code for sunder farming?

I don't get it either. You pop 3 seals and kill two guardians. Then what?

it is speed farming method for

Chaos Sanctuary. you

Teleport past the mobs straight to the seals, open them and kill the three guardians. not what i meant with the original post

Rhaegar86 wrote: 17 hours ago

justinman114 wrote: 18 hours ago

Good stuff, I've been seal popping and the

Herald spawns AFTER the final pop, and sometimes I have to go find him. This seems much better lmao

Can you explain this a bit more? Is this some kind of cheat code for sunder farming?

Seal popping

Chaos Sanctuary is an old school trick to pop tons of mobs at once. As you may know, when you pop the last seal, every monster in CS dies. The problem is, they also despawn after about 6-8 seconds after you are too far away. So, we pop 4 seals, kill the 3 bosses, then

Teleport back to start, and up through Chaos again to respawn everything, then quickly pop the last seal. Check drops after for goodies. These kills will not be affected by magic find, however. Good for rune farming.

Anyways, when I do this, the massive amount of zone clear at once usually spawns a

Herald (while diablo is spawning) somewhere on the map.

OP's method sounds better. Spawn the

Herald naturally by killing monsters, then pop the last seal to kill the

Herald.

Killing

Radament if he is undead is also nice.

To my knowledge, mobs killed by seal-popping are killed with 0% mf.

justinman114 wrote: 16 hours ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 17 hours ago

justinman114 wrote: 18 hours ago

Good stuff, I've been seal popping and the

Herald spawns AFTER the final pop, and sometimes I have to go find him. This seems much better lmao

Can you explain this a bit more? Is this some kind of cheat code for sunder farming?

Seal popping

Chaos Sanctuary is an old school trick to pop tons of mobs at once. As you may know, when you pop the last seal, every monster in CS dies. The problem is, they also despawn after about 6-8 seconds after you are too far away. So, we pop 4 seals, kill the 3 bosses, then

Teleport back to start, and up through Chaos again to respawn everything, then quickly pop the last seal. Check drops after for goodies. These kills will not be affected by magic find, however. Good for rune farming.

Anyways, when I do this, the massive amount of zone clear at once usually spawns a

Herald (while diablo is spawning) somewhere on the map.

OP's method sounds better. Spawn the

Herald naturally by killing monsters, then pop the last seal to kill the

Herald.

Good lord. I have been playing this game for 25+ years am I am just now hearing about this trick lol

TeleTabitha wrote: 15 hours ago

To my knowledge, mobs killed by seal-popping are killed with 0% mf.

doesn't apply to heralds!

So all normal mobs are killed with 0mf, and heralds are killed with a different mf? Whose MF? Yours or the Merc's? I wonder why they would special case this, I suppose that required code?

TeleTabitha wrote: 15 hours ago

So all normal mobs are killed with 0mf, and heralds are killed with a different mf? Whose MF? Yours or the Merc's? I wonder why they would special case this, I suppose that required code?

everything requires code I guess. No idea what are the numbers behind it, but they drop magic items every time, and I got one sunder this way

ganseng wrote: 14 hours ago

TeleTabitha wrote: 15 hours ago

So all normal mobs are killed with 0mf, and heralds are killed with a different mf? Whose MF? Yours or the Merc's? I wonder why they would special case this, I suppose that required code?

everything requires code I guess. No idea what are the numbers behind it, but they drop magic items every time, and I got one sunder this way

You can gey magic and unique items with zero magic find, it's just more rare. It's also possible heralds might have a unique drop table that drops magic stuff more? Not sure on the latter. Would be interesting if they are still affected by MF when seal popping.

justinman114 wrote: 16 hours ago

then pop the last seal to kill the

Herald

In cs I'd spawned a

Herald and when I popped the last seal the

Herald survived. I killed Diablo then handled the

Herald after.

Meat5000 wrote: 12 hours ago

justinman114 wrote: 16 hours ago

then pop the last seal to kill the

Herald

In cs I'd spawned a

Herald and when I popped the last seal the

Herald survived. I killed Diablo then handled the

Herald after.

Hmm, this contradicts what OP was saying. I wonder if the seal pop didn't do enough damage?!? That seems silly though. Maybe you were so far away that the

Herald temporarily despawned, just like normal enemies do? I'm not sure!

Also possible that you popped the last seal before the

Herald actually appeared on screen?

justinman114 wrote: 12 hours ago

Maybe you were so far away that the

Herald temporarily despawned

He was just down from the pentagram, not far enough to despawn. There was a couple of minutes between him spawning and Diablo spawning. I'd started attacking the

Herald but there was only a few minutes left on the TZ and he was particularly tough so I went for Diablo instead, kinda having the feeling the

Herald wouldn't get popped. I was right. I finished him off afterwards.

Meat5000 wrote: 11 hours ago

justinman114 wrote: 12 hours ago

Maybe you were so far away that the

Herald temporarily despawned

He was just down from the pentagram, not far enough to despawn. There was a couple of minutes between him spawning and Diablo spawning. I'd started attacking the

Herald but there was only a few minutes left on the TZ and he was particularly tough so I went for Diablo instead, kinda having the feeling the

Herald wouldn't get popped. I was right. I finished him off afterwards.

Interesting. I wonder if anyone has any info on this.

I was able to spawn two heralds in CS. Popping the last seal did kill both of them.

justinman114 wrote: 10 hours ago

Meat5000 wrote: 11 hours ago

justinman114 wrote: 12 hours ago

Maybe you were so far away that the

Herald temporarily despawned

He was just down from the pentagram, not far enough to despawn. There was a couple of minutes between him spawning and Diablo spawning. I'd started attacking the

Herald but there was only a few minutes left on the TZ and he was particularly tough so I went for Diablo instead, kinda having the feeling the

Herald wouldn't get popped. I was right. I finished him off afterwards.

Interesting. I wonder if anyone has any info on this.

Maybe this is the reason:

ganseng wrote: 18 hours ago

...
he will survive if you kill the final guardian though, you have to pop the seal
...

If I understand right then -

Spawning the last seal boss, then popping the last seal (in one of the two wings with two seals):

Herald dies and Diablo spawns
Popping all other seals, then popping the final one that spawns the last seal boss:

Herald survives after killing the seal boss, and Diablo spawns

Correct? Though it is still a bit strange to have different mechanics for these two cases!

justinman114 wrote: 14 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 14 hours ago

TeleTabitha wrote: 15 hours ago

So all normal mobs are killed with 0mf, and heralds are killed with a different mf? Whose MF? Yours or the Merc's? I wonder why they would special case this, I suppose that required code?

everything requires code I guess. No idea what are the numbers behind it, but they drop magic items every time, and I got one sunder this way

You can gey magic and unique items with zero magic find, it's just more rare. It's also possible heralds might have a unique drop table that drops magic stuff more? Not sure on the latter. Would be interesting if they are still affected by MF when seal popping.

I would expect heralds to have boss-like loot tables that more or less guarantee one or two blue items, and that MF mostly affects the chance to get uniques/rares over blue. This is how I understand bosses work (and maybe superuniques / uniques too, I haven't considered whether these sometimes drop only White items).

correct, the

Herald survives if you kill the last seal guardian after popping the last seal, but he dies if you pop the last seal after the last seal guardian is dead.

and if the last seal kills off the last mobs, they have a chance to spawn a

Herald too, and he will survive the extinction event

NaglFarfar wrote: 3 hours ago

justinman114 wrote: 10 hours ago

Meat5000 wrote: 11 hours ago

He was just down from the pentagram, not far enough to despawn. There was a couple of minutes between him spawning and Diablo spawning. I'd started attacking the

Herald but there was only a few minutes left on the TZ and he was particularly tough so I went for Diablo instead, kinda having the feeling the

Herald wouldn't get popped. I was right. I finished him off afterwards.

Interesting. I wonder if anyone has any info on this.

Maybe this is the reason:

ganseng wrote: 18 hours ago

...
he will survive if you kill the final guardian though, you have to pop the seal
...

If I understand right then -

Spawning the last seal boss, then popping the last seal (in one of the two wings with two seals):

Herald dies and Diablo spawns
Popping all other seals, then popping the final one that spawns the last seal boss:

Herald survives after killing the seal boss, and Diablo spawns

Correct? Though it is still a bit strange to have different mechanics for these two cases!

justinman114 wrote: 14 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 14 hours ago

everything requires code I guess. No idea what are the numbers behind it, but they drop magic items every time, and I got one sunder this way

You can gey magic and unique items with zero magic find, it's just more rare. It's also possible heralds might have a unique drop table that drops magic stuff more? Not sure on the latter. Would be interesting if they are still affected by MF when seal popping.

I would expect heralds to have boss-like loot tables that more or less guarantee one or two blue items, and that MF mostly affects the chance to get uniques/rares over blue. This is how I understand bosses work (and maybe superuniques / uniques too, I haven't considered whether these sometimes drop only White items).