Optimal Blood Oath for mixed Demon builds

departure wrote: 3 days ago

Ok so you can bind and relinquish

Infector of Souls automatically in maxroll. If you bind infector with my character's gear but no skills in

Blood Oath, he has 28k life. If you add 1 point to

Blood Oath, he has 28k life. If you add 20 points to

Blood Oath, he has 28k life.

I don't know if this is a maxroll bug or what.

I wonder if this is saved in the file as her "base". Would

Blood Oath then enhance that value when she "spawns" in a game? I can't imagine her only having 12k health and a few hundred life regen. A cursed pack would carve her up.

Edit: I might retract that statement. Looking at the bestiary, most of the Hell monsters are doing 10s to low 100s damage, so even with a pack of

Skeleton Archer shooting at her, it still might only register as a blip with 12K life.

En fin, I don't know.

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 days ago

departure wrote: 3 days ago

Ok so you can bind and relinquish

Infector of Souls automatically in maxroll. If you bind infector with my character's gear but no skills in

Blood Oath, he has 28k life. If you add 1 point to

Blood Oath, he has 28k life. If you add 20 points to

Blood Oath, he has 28k life.

I don't know if this is a maxroll bug or what.

I wonder if this is saved in the file as her "base". Would

Blood Oath then enhance that value when she "spawns" in a game? I can't imagine her only having 12k health and a few hundred life regen. A cursed pack would carve her up.

Edit: I might retract that statement. Looking at the bestiary, most of the Hell monsters are doing 10s to low 100s damage, so even with a pack of

Skeleton Archer shooting at her, it still might only register as a blip with 12K life.

En fin, I don't know.

Also, even as a 1 point wonder, with 14+ skills

Blood Oath gives around 62% resist all and 9% physical resistance, spectral hit (which comes standard at a certain

Bind Demon soft level) gives 20% resist all, and many monsters already have an innate physical and elemental resistance of 33%+. Then combine that with 12k life pre

Battle Orders (unclear whether life

Cap applies to BO) which is way more than a merc, and one can see how incredibly tanky that would be.

Also non unique hell monsters have a 1.2% health regen rate / second, that's 144 hp per second health regen @ 12k life.

varangium wrote: 3 days ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 days ago

departure wrote: 3 days ago

Ok so you can bind and relinquish

Infector of Souls automatically in maxroll. If you bind infector with my character's gear but no skills in

Blood Oath, he has 28k life. If you add 1 point to

Blood Oath, he has 28k life. If you add 20 points to

Blood Oath, he has 28k life.

I don't know if this is a maxroll bug or what.

I wonder if this is saved in the file as her "base". Would

Blood Oath then enhance that value when she "spawns" in a game? I can't imagine her only having 12k health and a few hundred life regen. A cursed pack would carve her up.

Edit: I might retract that statement. Looking at the bestiary, most of the Hell monsters are doing 10s to low 100s damage, so even with a pack of

Skeleton Archer shooting at her, it still might only register as a blip with 12K life.

En fin, I don't know.

Also, even as a 1 point wonder, with 14+ skills

Blood Oath gives around 62% resist all and 9% physical resistance, spectral hit (which comes standard at a certain

Bind Demon soft level) gives 20% resist all, and many monsters already have an innate physical and elemental resistance of 33%+. Then combine that with 12k life pre

Battle Orders (unclear whether life

Cap applies to BO) which is way more than a merc, and one can see how incredibly tanky that would be.

Also non unique hell monsters have a 1.2% health regen rate / second, that's 144 hp per second health regen @ 12k life.

Yes, this is where warlocks can become pokemon trainers. Certain combinations of affixes can potentially result in very tanky demons. My prepatch post looked at a few "unicorn" lancers and urdars:
forums/anyone-rushing-to-find-their-uni ... 08484.html

If you can find a high player level lancer with Cursed + Stone Skin + Fire Enchanted, then you have a demon at health

Cap with 70% Cold resists, fire immune, lightning immune and 83% physical resistance BEFORE

Blood Oath resists.

Unicorn, yes, but imagine that demon. I would be playing like a hardcore character and never ever respeccing!

Yea I think that the unicorn demons are maybe a bad idea unless your build is totally completely done. Level 99, gear is finished, skills are perfected.

I think I botched my lancer anyway, because I think (I'm actually not sure) I bound her at p1. Kinda bummed because it took 3 hours of TZ to find her. But 3 hours is not that huge a deal and I'll almost certainly respec anyway. Partly because I have 20 in

Blood Oath.

A 3 hour search for a demon is not out of the question for me. But weeks of searching for the perfect one is probably no good. Because a Death or respec kills it.

I'm really liking the lancer right now. But I might actually ditch her to respec at some point. If I do that, I'll probably run andy with 3 tainteds for a while. I might even have to build an entirely separate BB warlock just for andy so that I can have a bound demon on one.

On the other hand, I might just ride this demon to level 99 and then not worry about it and run andy.

departure wrote: 3 days ago

Yea I think that the unicorn demons are maybe a bad idea unless your build is totally completely done. Level 99, gear is finished, skills are perfected.

I think I botched my lancer anyway, because I think (I'm actually not sure) I bound her at p1. Kinda bummed because it took 3 hours to find her. But 3 hours is not that huge a deal and I'll almost certainly respec anyway. Partly because I have 20 in

Blood Oath.

A 3 hour search for a demon is not out of the question for me. But weeks of searching for the perfect one is probably no good. Because a Death or respec kills it.

I'm really liking the lancer right now. But I might actually ditch her to respec at some point. If I do that, I'll probably run andy with 3 tainteds for a while. I might even have to build an entirely separate BB warlock just for andy so that I can have a bound demon on one.

On the other hand, I might just ride this demon to level 99 and then not worry about it and run andy.

Was your Lancer a non TZ demon or did you burn shards for 3 hours?

Rhaegar86 wrote: 3 days ago

Was your Lancer a non TZ demon or did you burn shards for 3 hours?

She's TZ.

It's a combination of burning shards and timing WSK TZ. The TZ was not the highest level TZ either because my character was not whatever the capped level is... 92? 94? I think I was 90.

Load game, tele to WSK level 1, see 3 enemy types. Savequit. Repeat. Takes like 20 seconds or something to ID lancers. If there are lancers, then there's some searching for uniques which takes a little longer. But i just looked for

Holy Freeze and then checked for curse.

I'm running old style

Bone Break and renewed fire sunder in combination and I think that's the way to go.

departure wrote: 3 days ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 3 days ago

Was your Lancer a non TZ demon or did you burn shards for 3 hours?

She's TZ.

It's a combination of burning shards and timing WSK TZ. The TZ was not the highest level TZ either because my character was not whatever the capped level is... 92? 94? I think I was 90.

Load game, tele to WSK level 1, see 3 enemy types. Savequit. Repeat. Takes like 20 seconds or something to ID lancers. If there are lancers, then there's some searching for uniques which takes a little longer. But i just looked for

Holy Freeze and then checked for curse.

I'm running old style

Bone Break and renewed fire sunder in combination and I think that's the way to go.

I'm doing similar when I go look for a new Hephy after getting popped or respec. At level 94, cursed with Stone skin and

Vigor is insane to watch and it seems like

Vigor procs cursed a bit more often than the other auras. Probably just wishful thinking though. I'm running

Renewed Bone Break too but need a

Black Cleft to go with it for my Abysslock summoner

I will go looking again for Lancers when I respec in a week or two. I sometimes join

Baal runs when WSK, Arreat Way or Frogid Highlands are terrorized and go on a quick hunt while the bot is teleporting to the throne. Easy way to ensure high player count. Having a

Blunderbore bound helps while teleporting since his hitbox protects you.

I think I'll be going single point in

Blood Oath going forward. With careful planning, should be able to get a capped demon without relying on

Blood Oath.

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 days ago

I will go looking again for Lancers when I respec in a week or two. I sometimes join

Baal runs when WSK, Arreat Way or Frogid Highlands are terrorized and go on a quick hunt while the bot is teleporting to the throne. Easy way to ensure high player count. Having a

Blunderbore bound helps while teleporting since his hitbox protects you.

I think I'll be going single point in

Blood Oath going forward. With careful planning, should be able to get a capped demon without relying on

Blood Oath.

Bot? Please explain. I have always wondered about those. Also, are you playing offline?

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 days ago

Having a

Blunderbore bound helps while teleporting since his hitbox protects you.

I was using 3x defilers for that. But I think I might try the

Blunderbore, thanks for the advice. Maybe even with

Holy Freeze (or actually just switch the merc to

Holy Freeze).

Right now though I'm very happy with my lancer. It would be impossible to shop a new demon with her though, because she'd just pop the new demon too fast.

Rhaegar86 wrote: 3 days ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 days ago

I will go looking again for Lancers when I respec in a week or two. I sometimes join

Baal runs when WSK, Arreat Way or Frogid Highlands are terrorized and go on a quick hunt while the bot is teleporting to the throne. Easy way to ensure high player count. Having a

Blunderbore bound helps while teleporting since his hitbox protects you.

I think I'll be going single point in

Blood Oath going forward. With careful planning, should be able to get a capped demon without relying on

Blood Oath.

Bot? Please explain. I have always wondered about those. Also, are you playing offline?

Online scnl. I can't say anything about the bots, because J have no odea how they work, but I understand that those endless

Baal run games jave a paladin bot that teleports to the throne room, pops a TP in the top roght corner and then when clear pops another TP in middle right. Always same location, then teleports to the middle of the spawn area and sends endless hammers irrespective of what's happening in the rest of the throne room (live players usually clear off the rest). That's all I understand about it.

I join the games, have a quick look for lancers, if they aren't there, I go to the throne room, and if they are there I keep looking for cursed oack leaders until I see everyone leaving for the next game.

departure wrote: 3 days ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 days ago

Having a

Blunderbore bound helps while teleporting since his hitbox protects you.

I was using 3x defilers for that. But I think I might try the

Blunderbore, thanks for the advice. Maybe even with

Holy Freeze (or actually just switch the merc to

Holy Freeze).

Right now though I'm very happy with my lancer. It would be impossible to shop a new demon with her though, because she'd just pop the new demon too fast.

This is the problem. They don't get telelocked like Lister and Blunderbores. If I see an interesting pack, I will

Teleport and the

Blunderbore can't attack until they come over. Then I can check for affixes and either let the

Blunderbore kill everything or, if the affixes look good, I can

Blood Boil once and then start channeling

Bind Demon on the unique.

kerph wrote: 4 days ago

She seemed to curse a lot too, as if her charged

Bolts were triggering the 5% proc? But maybe that's just wishful thinking

Is anyone able to confirm this? Now using a lightning enchanted mauler from durance of hate and the difference really seems stark compared to not lightning enchanted

Not even bothering with

The Reaper's Toll on merc anymore

kerph wrote: 22 hours ago

kerph wrote: 4 days ago

She seemed to curse a lot too, as if her charged

Bolts were triggering the 5% proc? But maybe that's just wishful thinking

Is anyone able to confirm this? Now using a lightning enchanted mauler from durance of hate and the difference really seems stark compared to not lightning enchanted

Not even bothering with

The Reaper's Toll on merc anymore

I was keen to know this also, as apparently

Blood Boil procs

Bolts as well. Google Gemini seemed to think that proc'd abilities wouldn't proc curse though.

kerph wrote: 22 hours ago

kerph wrote: 4 days ago

She seemed to curse a lot too, as if her charged

Bolts were triggering the 5% proc? But maybe that's just wishful thinking

Is anyone able to confirm this? Now using a lightning enchanted mauler from durance of hate and the difference really seems stark compared to not lightning enchanted

Not even bothering with

The Reaper's Toll on merc anymore

Confirmed. I had a lightning enchanted/cursed/fana Urdar and I was enjoying it cursing everything around it so easily. Sadly he got consumed by me on accident, now using a

Holy Freeze cursed Lister which is almost as good except against single targets.

Mizar wrote: 12 hours ago

Confirmed. I had a lightning enchanted/cursed/fana Urdar and I was enjoying it cursing everything around it so easily. Sadly he got consumed by me on accident

I wish you could trade demons somehow. I would be so happy to pay someone for a nice demon when i lose mine from dying in a stupid way. Also a literal pokemon trainer build focused on farming for binds to sell would be so cool i think ^^

Maybe like when u use unsummon on them it could turn it back to a hostile monster at one health (maybe with infinite length

Terror curse so it doesn't attack) so it can be rebound by another player

kerph wrote: 5 hours ago

Mizar wrote: 12 hours ago

Confirmed. I had a lightning enchanted/cursed/fana Urdar and I was enjoying it cursing everything around it so easily. Sadly he got consumed by me on accident

I wish you could trade demons somehow. I would be so happy to pay someone for a nice demon when i lose mine from dying in a stupid way. Also a literal pokemon trainer build focused on farming for binds to sell would be so cool i think ^^

Maybe like when u use unsummon on them it could turn it back to a hostile monster at one health (maybe with infinite length

Terror curse so it doesn't attack) so it can be rebound by another player

Binding specific demons to a soulstone would ve a cool mechanic. Tradable, but perhaps also swappable. Say you want your Stone Skin Cursed Magic Resistant urdar for ubers, then you swap to your Lighning enchanted cursed lancer with

Fanaticism for farming... Perhaps that's a bit too powerful.

Unbinding would work, too. Also a way to team up and reroll auras on your demon till you get the one you like.