I'm still 100% happy with Delirium for my Warlock. Despite the chance to become a chiby. with everything fighting themselves you can just wait it out in most places.
You just don't get swarmed especially with Demons as tanks and front liners. Put Chains of Honor on to make up for the lack of a shield's resistances and the + skills.
I'm still 100% happy with Delirium for my Warlock. Despite the chance to become a chiby. with everything fighting themselves you can just wait it out in most places.
You just don't get swarmed especially with Demons as tanks and front liners. Put Chains of Honor on to make up for the lack of a shield's resistances and the + skills. Delirium.jpgdeliriuminharem.jpg
I get where you're coming from. I don't need a COH because I'm using Obsession runeword while not perfect is good enough rolled with, 65% Faster Cast, 60% faster hit recovery, 63% all resists and an Um-ed Shako for 15% all resists, which frees my build to use an Enigma. The Obsession, Enigma, and Shako makes reaching 200% magic find easy without affecting build quality. In the end every build comes down to the gear you have access to, and build choice. My gear includes an Obsession runeword, Enigma, Arachnid Mesh, Measured WrathBurnt Text, 28% Mara's, 2 Sojs, 2 X +1 Demon Skillers, and 1 X Chaos skillers.
I'm still 100% happy with Delirium for my Warlock. Despite the chance to become a chiby. with everything fighting themselves you can just wait it out in most places.
You just don't get swarmed especially with Demons as tanks and front liners. Put Chains of Honor on to make up for the lack of a shield's resistances and the + skills. Delirium.jpgdeliriuminharem.jpg
I get where you're coming from. I don't need a COH because I'm using Obsession runeword while not perfect is good enough rolled with, 65% Faster Cast, 60% faster hit recovery, 63% all resists and an Um-ed Shako for 15% all resists, which frees my build to use an Enigma. The Obsession, Enigma, and Shako makes reaching 200% magic find easy without affect build quality. In the end every build comes down to the gear you have access to, and build choice. My gear includes an Obsession runeword, Enigma, Arachnid Mesh, Measured WrathBurnt Text, 28% Mara's, 2 Sojs, 2 X +1 Demon Skillers, and 1 X Chaos skillers.
Interesting. This is exactly the reason I asked this question in the first place. This is literally the build I originally had in mind, even down to socketing my Harlequin Crest with an Um. I'm about to build my Obsession with an Archon Staff so I hope the roll goes similar to yours and although I would prefer to have a Ars Al'Diabolos, I already have a Measured Wrath I can use in the meantime. Enigma might be a little further out so my CoH will have to suffice until I can land another Ber since the 2 I have now will be used in an Infinity for my Merc. What did you use as your base for your Obsession?
I'm still 100% happy with Delirium for my Warlock. Despite the chance to become a chiby. with everything fighting themselves you can just wait it out in most places.
You just don't get swarmed especially with Demons as tanks and front liners. Put Chains of Honor on to make up for the lack of a shield's resistances and the + skills. Delirium.jpgdeliriuminharem.jpg
I get where you're coming from. I don't need a COH because I'm using Obsession runeword while not perfect is good enough rolled with, 65% Faster Cast, 60% faster hit recovery, 63% all resists and an Um-ed Shako for 15% all resists, which frees my build to use an Enigma. The Obsession, Enigma, and Shako makes reaching 200% magic find easy without affect build quality. In the end every build comes down to the gear you have access to, and build choice. My gear includes an Obsession runeword, Enigma, Arachnid Mesh, Measured WrathBurnt Text, 28% Mara's, 2 Sojs, 2 X +1 Demon Skillers, and 1 X Chaos skillers.
Interesting. This is exactly the reason I asked this question in the first place. This is literally the build I originally had in mind, even down to socketing my Harlequin Crest with an Um. I'm about to build my Obsession with an Archon Staff so I hope the roll goes similar to yours and although I would prefer to have a Ars Al'Diabolos, I already have a Measured Wrath I can use in the meantime. Enigma might be a little further out so my CoH will have to suffice until I can land another Ber since the 2 I have now will be used in an Infinity for my Merc. What did you use as your base for your Obsession?
In the beginning I would prefer to have had an Ars too, but the WrathBurnt Text is more than adequate for now, because it adds additional skills to fire skills, and it's also socketed with an Um. For my Obsession I used an Archon Staff, which is used mostly as an offhand.
I get where you're coming from. I don't need a COH because I'm using Obsession runeword while not perfect is good enough rolled with, 65% Faster Cast, 60% faster hit recovery, 63% all resists and an Um-ed Shako for 15% all resists, which frees my build to use an Enigma. The Obsession, Enigma, and Shako makes reaching 200% magic find easy without affect build quality. In the end every build comes down to the gear you have access to, and build choice. My gear includes an Obsession runeword, Enigma, Arachnid Mesh, Measured WrathBurnt Text, 28% Mara's, 2 Sojs, 2 X +1 Demon Skillers, and 1 X Chaos skillers.
Interesting. This is exactly the reason I asked this question in the first place. This is literally the build I originally had in mind, even down to socketing my Harlequin Crest with an Um. I'm about to build my Obsession with an Archon Staff so I hope the roll goes similar to yours and although I would prefer to have a Ars Al'Diabolos, I already have a Measured Wrath I can use in the meantime. Enigma might be a little further out so my CoH will have to suffice until I can land another Ber since the 2 I have now will be used in an Infinity for my Merc. What did you use as your base for your Obsession?
In the beginning I would prefer to have had an Ars too, but the WrathBurnt Text is more than adequate for now, because it adds additional skills to fire skills, and it's also socketed with an Um. For my Obsession I used an Archon Staff, which is used mostly as an offhand.
So I assume you're running a firelock until you land an Ars then respec to Abyss?
Interesting. This is exactly the reason I asked this question in the first place. This is literally the build I originally had in mind, even down to socketing my Harlequin Crest with an Um. I'm about to build my Obsession with an Archon Staff so I hope the roll goes similar to yours and although I would prefer to have a Ars Al'Diabolos, I already have a Measured Wrath I can use in the meantime. Enigma might be a little further out so my CoH will have to suffice until I can land another Ber since the 2 I have now will be used in an Infinity for my Merc. What did you use as your base for your Obsession?
In the beginning I would prefer to have had an Ars too, but the WrathBurnt Text is more than adequate for now, because it adds additional skills to fire skills, and it's also socketed with an Um. For my Obsession I used an Archon Staff, which is used mostly as an offhand.
So I assume you're running a firelock until you land an Ars then respec to Abyss?
Actually I started with an Abyss summoner and then respected to a firelock summoner. I liked Abyss but damage and AOE on Apocolypse is quite good, and when mobbed I can swap to Ring of Fire which pushes everything way. Why did I respect you ask?? Well because I have more than 3 dozen tokens and my curiosity was killing me. LOL
In the beginning I would prefer to have had an Ars too, but the WrathBurnt Text is more than adequate for now, because it adds additional skills to fire skills, and it's also socketed with an Um. For my Obsession I used an Archon Staff, which is used mostly as an offhand.
So I assume you're running a firelock until you land an Ars then respec to Abyss?
Actually I started with an Abyss summoner and then respected to a firelock summoner. I liked Abyss but damage and AOE on Apocolypse is quite good, and when mobbed I can swap to Ring of Fire which pushes everything way. Why I did I respect you ask?? Well because I have more than 3 dozen tokens and my curiosity was killing me. LOL
LOL excellent reason. I have 7 tokens with enough material for 2 more so you have piqued my interest lol
But then again, I have this that could definitely be a contender with Abyss
So I assume you're running a firelock until you land an Ars then respec to Abyss?
Actually I started with an Abyss summoner and then respected to a firelock summoner. I liked Abyss but damage and AOE on Apocolypse is quite good, and when mobbed I can swap to Ring of Fire which pushes everything way. Why I did I respect you ask?? Well because I have more than 3 dozen tokens and my curiosity was killing me. LOL
LOL excellent reason. I have 7 tokens with enough material for 2 more so you have piqued my interest lol
But then again, I have this that could definitely be a contender with Abyss
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Give it a go and see if you like it, and if not then you can respec, just keep an eye on how many skill points you have so as not to fall short on something. We learn by trying.
Warlocks - at least the Abyss kind (going back to the OP) - got lucky imo in that their BiS is also the (subjectively) best looking: a Diadem with a fitting color.
Though Hellwarden does look pretty solid on them as well as the special visual on that very much feels like it was built to match warlock armor appearance. Might call that a tie actually. And it does come in a very close second in terms of performance as well. Like...extremely close...not even a rounding error close...
Sure beats the hell out of necros and their hideous green-shaded Diadem or hair-clipping-through Hellwarden. ~~
Though in-game, diadems all bug out and lose their color, making them go blue again. Thanks to that, I'd argue Hellwarden does ultimately look better.
Warlocks - at least the Abyss kind (going back to the OP) - got lucky imo in that their BiS is also the (subjectively) best looking: a Diadem with a fitting color.
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Though Hellwarden does look pretty solid on them as well as the special visual on that very much feels like it was built to match warlock armor appearance. Might call that a tie actually. And it does come in a very close second in terms of performance as well. Like...extremely close...not even a rounding error close...
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Sure beats the hell out of necros and their hideous green-shaded Diadem or hair-clipping-through Hellwarden. ~~
Though in-game, diadems all bug out and lose their color, making them go blue again. Thanks to that, I'd argue Hellwarden does ultimately look better.
I absolutely prefer the look of Hellwardens Will over anything else. I wish it had better stats that are more useful to my build. Which warlock Diadem are you referring to?
Hellwarden is such a Great Helm for almost any build. But if you need that 20% IAS or FCR for breakpoints, and are dealing magic or fire damage, it's probably BiS. Looks cool, too.
Actually I started with an Abyss summoner and then respected to a firelock summoner. I liked Abyss but damage and AOE on Apocolypse is quite good, and when mobbed I can swap to Ring of Fire which pushes everything way. Why I did I respect you ask?? Well because I have more than 3 dozen tokens and my curiosity was killing me. LOL
LOL excellent reason. I have 7 tokens with enough material for 2 more so you have piqued my interest lol
But then again, I have this that could definitely be a contender with Abyss
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Give it a go and see if you like it, and if not then you can respec, just keep an eye on how many skill points you have so as not to fall short on something. We learn by trying.
I did manage to snag a Flame Rift (my only sunder so far) and have renewed it to this so I'm very tempted to respec to firelock summoner. My CoH, Measured Wrath and Obsession would definitely help buff the fire penalty. Do you think with Apocalypse maxed out it would be enough to break all fire immunities?
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I absolutely prefer the look of Hellwardens Will over anything else. I wish it had better stats that are more useful to my build. Which warlock Diadem are you referring to?
+3 Chaos to max out performance. Since an Abyss lock has fairly easy access to max FCR without the head, you don't need the usual 20 FCR on it, saving you from the abysmal green and allowing you to go for other suffix stats instead, based on preference. Life, dmg reduction, mf, whatever. If you go with 100 life, you get that dark Diadem to match up with everything else.
Didn't you say your build is Abyss though? Cuz..you don't get much "better" or "more useful" than hellwarden for that.
Yes, given full BiS gear a +3 Diadem is better. But only to an extent that you will never notice in actual gameplay. They are extremely close to one another, so long as the rest of the gear is tailored towards them.
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I absolutely prefer the look of Hellwardens Will over anything else. I wish it had better stats that are more useful to my build. Which warlock Diadem are you referring to?
+3 Chaos to max out performance. Since an Abyss lock has fairly easy access to max FCR without the head, you don't need the usual 20 FCR on it, saving you from the abysmal green and allowing you to go for other suffix stats instead, based on preference. Life, dmg reduction, mf, whatever. If you go with 100 life, you get that dark Diadem to match up with everything else.
Didn't you say your build is Abyss though? Cuz..you don't get much "better" or "more useful" than hellwarden for that.
Yes, given full BiS gear a +3 Diadem is better. But only to an extent that you will never notice in actual gameplay. They are extremely close to one another, so long as the rest of the gear is tailored towards them.
Correct, I'm currently running an Abyss lock summoner. Sorry, I'm still not understanding you on the +3 ChaosDiadem part. Are you talking about a unique or rune word or what? How would I be able to choose the suffix stats. Again, sorry for the stupid questions. Although I have been playing this game for 20 years, I have never been this involved with all the internal mechanics of synergies between gear
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Correct, I'm currently running an Abyss lock summoner. Sorry, I'm still not understanding you on the +3 ChaosDiadem part. Are you talking about a unique or rune word or what? How would I be able to choose the suffix stats. Again, sorry for the stupid questions. Although I have been playing this game for 20 years, I have never been this involved with all the internal mechanics of synergies between gear
Nah, magic. E.g.:
You would "choose" the suffix stat simply based on what you trade for or keep cubing for or otherwise hope/hold out for. I.e. you don't get to say "I'll put this suffix on it" but rather "I'm looking for one with this suffix".
Whether or not you'll ever find the right one is a different question as they are far harder to obtain than hellwarden. Plus you then still have to pray to Larzuk so he gives you 2 sockets instead of 1 which takes even more pure dumb luck.
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Correct, I'm currently running an Abyss lock summoner. Sorry, I'm still not understanding you on the +3 ChaosDiadem part. Are you talking about a unique or rune word or what? How would I be able to choose the suffix stats. Again, sorry for the stupid questions. Although I have been playing this game for 20 years, I have never been this involved with all the internal mechanics of synergies between gear
Nah, magic. E.g.:
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You would "choose" the suffix stat simply based on what you trade for or keep cubing for or otherwise hope/hold out for. I.e. you don't get to say "I'll put this suffix on it" but rather "I'm looking for one with this suffix".
Whether or not you'll ever find the right one is a different question as they are far harder to obtain than hellwarden. Plus you then still have to pray to Larzuk so he gives you 2 sockets instead of 1 which takes even more pure dumb luck.
Ah I gotcha now. I'm sure you burned through some gems for that one
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Ah I gotcha now. I'm sure you burned through some gems for that one
Actually, I'm still using hellwarden's myself. Didn't bother getting that Diadem. For now at least.
I might at some point but I'm still torn whether or not I want to.
I can't stress enough just how tiny the difference in raw performance actually is when optimized for either one. Like less than 1% tiny for both, chains and Abyss. You will never actually notice that change in actual game play. For Miasma Bolt, the difference is a bit more (around 2.5%) but since the changes to chains (bugged as they still are, sadly) and the nerf to bolt itself, bolt doesn't get much use anymore anyways.
The real difference is that with the hellwarden approach, fully optimized, you get slightly more convenience (auto-regen, mainly) while the Diadem approach offers a bit more MF and a tiny (again, TINY!) bit of extra life. Either one could be argued for and I for one remain torn but am rather happy with hellwarden for the time being either way.
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Ah I gotcha now. I'm sure you burned through some gems for that one
Actually, I'm still using hellwarden's myself. Didn't bother getting that Diadem. For now at least.
I might at some point but I'm still torn whether or not I want to.
I can't stress enough just how tiny the difference in raw performance actually is when optimized for either one. Like less than 1% tiny for both, chains and Abyss. You will never actually notice that change in actual game play. For Miasma Bolt, the difference is a bit more (around 2.5%) but since the changes to chains (bugged as they still are, sadly) and the nerf to bolt itself, bolt doesn't get much use anymore anyways.
The real difference is that with the hellwarden approach, fully optimized, you get slightly more convenience (auto-regen, mainly) while the Diadem approach offers a bit more MF and a tiny (again, TINY!) bit of extra life. Either one could be argued for and I for one remain torn but am rather happy with hellwarden for the time being either way.
So you would still choose Hellwarden over Harlequins Crest I assume? I'm planning to Larzuk one of them with an Um and throw 2 more Ums in Measured Wrath. My bolt will likely get changed out to a sigil of some sort. I was using Lethargy until it got super nerf'd so now I've been using Rancor which is pretty useful since Heralds drop on your head now
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So you would still choose Hellwarden over Harlequins Crest I assume? I'm planning to Larzuk one of them with an Um and throw 2 more Ums in Measured Wrath. My bolt will likely get changed out to a sigil of some sort. I was using Lethargy until it got super nerf'd so now I've been using Rancor which is pretty useful since Heralds drop on your head now
The only real reason to use Shako over hellwarden is if you're going for an MF-focused build and don't have access to the top-tier alternatives yet (e.g. +3/mf Diadem).
Since I for one don't focus that much on MF, I'd always go with hellwarden over crest.
Yes, crest does give a solid boost in mana and life as well but as a lock, you really don't need that imo. They end up with tons of life either way.
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