Ladder Season 14 and Patch 3.2

dionisy_cn wrote: 19 hours ago

mhlg wrote: 20 hours ago

dionisy_cn wrote: 21 hours ago

Fire Warlock with 1 point in Syphon (or

Dagger with given skill on swap )have no mana problems at all. People just don't read skills description sticking strictly to Maxroll builds. Such people punish themselves and surely will need Insight on their merc.

Perhaps you didn't fully understand my post? I always completely read the skill tree, and on a caster-summoner hybrid, I decided that siphon was not a workable choice and probably a waste of skill points. Have you tried

Ring of Fire? Mana is an issue but not an workable issue with an Insight wielding mercenary, but remove that and I just don't see siphon on swap making up the difference. Also I never use guides or have used Maxroll for any of my builds, I prefer to do everything on my own through trial and error.

Syphon gives you 1 mana and 1 life per every skill point (hard or soft) per any and every trash mob you kill.
Only time I was facing mana troubles and need to chug options are : killing Diablo and long distance teleporting.
With + skills and skillers it will be 20+ per devilkin.
I played fire Warlock but I liked

Flame Wave more. Personal preference.

And

Metalgrid with Insights Golem is always an option (this I haven't tried yet) . And you can wear Insight by yourself too. Or

Crystal Sword with 6*

Tir runes or jewels in it.
Sorc have no Syphon and she does great. You have it , not using it and do complain. You made your own decision that investing 3 skill points somewhere else will benefit you more. OK , we all do builds we like. Just pay the price.
I personally see no issue here for my fire or boiler Warlock builds.

Assuming 125 FCR, the Mana use for

Flame Wave and

Ring of Fire are quite different and so is the result, I use

Flame Wave on swap.

Ring of Fire hits roughly about 4:1 times compared to a single

Flame Wave hit, and more hits means it uses more Mana at the same level. I adjusted my gear to drop

Ring of Fire to the same level (38) as

Flame Wave. At level 38

Ring of Fire's Mana use is 26.5 and

Flame Wave's 25.5, so

Ring of Fire is slightly more Mana intensive, and since it generates almost 4 times as many hits in the same frame of time, it's going to use considerably more Mana.

Flame Wave has higher damage, but its damage is over a smaller area, and it hits less often.

Ring of Fire not only hits more often, but it pushes back mobs, and keeps them back with each hit which increases mercenary and pet survival rate. I think a lot of

Ring of Fire and

Flame Wave builds are going to miss their Insight carrying merc, and

Hex Siphon in my view comes at a cost and isn't an effective alternative.

good changes.. sunder drop rate will increase roughly 3x, or on target farming 4x.. feels just about right

i'd like to see other classes to be finetuned too, in terms of making non-mainstream builds stronger

mhlg wrote: 7 hours ago

dionisy_cn wrote: 19 hours ago

mhlg wrote: 20 hours ago

Perhaps you didn't fully understand my post? I always completely read the skill tree, and on a caster-summoner hybrid, I decided that siphon was not a workable choice and probably a waste of skill points. Have you tried

Ring of Fire? Mana is an issue but not an workable issue with an Insight wielding mercenary, but remove that and I just don't see siphon on swap making up the difference. Also I never use guides or have used Maxroll for any of my builds, I prefer to do everything on my own through trial and error.

Syphon gives you 1 mana and 1 life per every skill point (hard or soft) per any and every trash mob you kill.
Only time I was facing mana troubles and need to chug options are : killing Diablo and long distance teleporting.
With + skills and skillers it will be 20+ per devilkin.
I played fire Warlock but I liked

Flame Wave more. Personal preference.

And

Metalgrid with Insights Golem is always an option (this I haven't tried yet) . And you can wear Insight by yourself too. Or

Crystal Sword with 6*

Tir runes or jewels in it.
Sorc have no Syphon and she does great. You have it , not using it and do complain. You made your own decision that investing 3 skill points somewhere else will benefit you more. OK , we all do builds we like. Just pay the price.
I personally see no issue here for my fire or boiler Warlock builds.

Assuming 125 FCR, the Mana use for

Flame Wave and

Ring of Fire are quite different and so is the result, I use

Flame Wave on swap.

Ring of Fire hits roughly about 4:1 times compared to a single

Flame Wave hit, and more hits means it uses more Mana at the same level. I adjusted my gear to drop

Ring of Fire to the same level (38) as

Flame Wave. At level 38

Ring of Fire's Mana use is 26.5 and

Flame Wave's 25.5, so

Ring of Fire is slightly more Mana intensive, and since it generates almost 4 times as many hits in the same frame of time, it's going to use considerably more Mana.

Flame Wave has higher damage, but its damage is over a smaller area, and it hits less often.

Ring of Fire not only hits more often, but it pushes back mobs, and keeps them back with each hit which increases mercenary and pet survival rate. I think a lot of

Ring of Fire and

Flame Wave builds are going to miss their Insight carrying merc, and

Hex Siphon in my view comes at a cost and isn't an effective alternative.

You still haven't got the point. With your spells you are supposed to kill stuff. Not enough mana from Syphon (which as I see you still never tried) then put a

Skull Collector on top. Or just

Skull Collector. You will need to kill 3 Mobs with 2 casts to stay with full mana.