This should result in you being able to do just about any task in the game with ease - at P3
This is what I was thinking. Temporarily Sacrifice the Static Field synergy since it's 5% per level.
That’s an interesting idea. I’m actually not used to ever using the respec feature, but that’s an option
What I decided to do was use hero editor to just max ES and grab a CureHelm and run Baal. (My actual character is online). Well, on P1 on my way to Baal, I get trashed by a mob of whisps or whatever they are called.
I’m getting very frustrated with this. All I wanted was a char that can rush fast and then p8 Baal solo to level up the rushed character. ES warlock does this without an issue.
Hammerdin sucks and can’t get past wave two even with sunder (side question, how do those bots do Baal runs? They have no merc), ES dies, javazon dies. Oddly enough, the character I play when I’m bored is an Ice bow zon and that thing doesn’t really have any issues with survivability and even can 1 shot almost anything on p1… just not a caster, doesn’t use Enigma and if it did, fcr is slow.
I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters only to find that they suck lol. I’ve got like 8 arch mesh and 5 war travs like a dozen sojs, a bunch of enigmas and all sorts of stupid Eth gear
This should result in you being able to do just about any task in the game with ease - at P3
This is what I was thinking. Temporarily Sacrifice the Static Field synergy since it's 5% per level.
That’s an interesting idea. I’m actually not used to ever using the respec feature, but that’s an option
What I decided to do was use hero editor to just max ES and grab a CureHelm and run Baal. (My actual character is online). Well, on P1 on my way to Baal, I get trashed by a mob of whisps or whatever they are called.
I’m getting very frustrated with this. All I wanted was a char that can rush fast and then p8 Baal solo to level up the rushed character. ES warlock does this without an issue.
Hammerdin sucks and can’t get past wave two even with sunder (side question, how do those bots do Baal runs? They have no merc), ES dies, javazon dies. Oddly enough, the character I play when I’m bored is an Ice bow zon and that thing doesn’t really have any issues with survivability and even can 1 shot almost anything on p1… just not a caster, doesn’t use Enigma and if it did, fcr is slow.
I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters only to find that they suck lol. I’ve got like 8 arch mesh and 5 war travs like a dozen sojs, a bunch of enigmas and all sorts of stupid Eth gear
Never respec'd? Whoa.
Whisps are always nasty, but can be downright brutal pending modifiers. My sorc is using a Wisp Projector I found. Even with lowest roll of 10% lightning absorb, goes up to 20, it definitely made Gloams/Scarabs/lightning mobs much, much less of a concern.
Can you list your skill distribution currently? It must be 20 hard points into Telekinesis and Energy Shield; then the more + skills the better. My Sorc has 28 to ES currently and is survival is solid, albeit in P1. I also up'd a Nightsmoke for the 50% damage taken goes to mana, and that is working well.
Buff your ES at the stash before the run. Easy to get +4/+5 to all skills, if not +6 or higher to ES with Memory staff, and then you'd be at lvl 35-37 Energy Shield for 90%, or more, absorb. Get ES high enough and then your biggest problem is poison. Sandstorm Trek instead of Waterwalk for up to 70% poison resist. Max poison resist w/ (small) charms then if need be.
Do you have a point into Frozen Armor? Major survival boost when you accidentally Teleport into a hard hitting physical pack.
Warmth? With 1 base point and your current +11 to skills, would be 162% mana regen. What level Meditation Aura on your Insight? Mana regen ranges from 575-700. If you're missing Warmth and have a lvl 12 roll, you're short 287% regen in total.
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"P8 Baal Solo" is a tall order IMO without best gear and an inventory full of light skill (and other useful) charms to have lvl 40 ES, for the 95% absorb, and peak damage to make this plausible. I've never really had a character that felt particularly strong, or could do things 'easily', in P8 solo. Also, why the fixation on handling Baal runs solo online? People tend to participate and the waves are evaporated practically instantly before they're much of a threat.
"ES Warlock does this without issue". That's because Warlock is broken and severely OP currently. I killed DClone on my ES Warlock using Blade of Alibaba without much hassle...that ain't right lol.
"I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters". Probably. If you want a character that will easily handle P8 by itself anyway.
"You can't fight if you're already dead." - A powerful mage.
I’ll switch to trek. No, I didn’t max tele. I need 10 levels to max ES… as far as I can tell, this build needs like level 95. I did put one into Warmth and frozen
This is what I was thinking. Temporarily Sacrifice the Static Field synergy since it's 5% per level.
That’s an interesting idea. I’m actually not used to ever using the respec feature, but that’s an option
What I decided to do was use hero editor to just max ES and grab a CureHelm and run Baal. (My actual character is online). Well, on P1 on my way to Baal, I get trashed by a mob of whisps or whatever they are called.
I’m getting very frustrated with this. All I wanted was a char that can rush fast and then p8 Baal solo to level up the rushed character. ES warlock does this without an issue.
Hammerdin sucks and can’t get past wave two even with sunder (side question, how do those bots do Baal runs? They have no merc), ES dies, javazon dies. Oddly enough, the character I play when I’m bored is an Ice bow zon and that thing doesn’t really have any issues with survivability and even can 1 shot almost anything on p1… just not a caster, doesn’t use Enigma and if it did, fcr is slow.
I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters only to find that they suck lol. I’ve got like 8 arch mesh and 5 war travs like a dozen sojs, a bunch of enigmas and all sorts of stupid Eth gear
Never respec'd? Whoa.
Whisps are always nasty, but can be downright brutal pending modifiers. My sorc is using a Wisp Projector I found. Even with lowest roll of 10% lightning absorb, goes up to 20, it definitely made Gloams/Scarabs/lightning mobs much, much less of a concern.
Can you list your skill distribution currently? It must be 20 hard points into Telekinesis and Energy Shield; then the more + skills the better. My Sorc has 28 to ES currently and is survival is solid, albeit in P1. I also up'd a Nightsmoke for the 50% damage taken goes to mana, and that is working well.
Buff your ES at the stash before the run. Easy to get +4/+5 to all skills, if not +6 or higher to ES with Memory staff, and then you'd be at lvl 35-37 Energy Shield for 90%, or more, absorb. Get ES high enough and then your biggest problem is poison. Sandstorm Trek instead of Waterwalk for up to 70% poison resist. Max poison resist w/ (small) charms then if need be.
Do you have a point into Frozen Armor? Major survival boost when you accidentally Teleport into a hard hitting physical pack.
Warmth? With 1 base point and your current +11 to skills, would be 162% mana regen. What level Meditation Aura on your Insight? Mana regen ranges from 575-700. If you're missing Warmth and have a lvl 12 roll, you're short 287% regen in total.
_______________________________________________
"P8 Baal Solo" is a tall order IMO without best gear and an inventory full of light skill (and other useful) charms to have lvl 40 ES, for the 95% absorb, and peak damage to make this plausible. I've never really had a character that felt particularly strong, or could do things 'easily', in P8 solo. Also, why the fixation on handling Baal runs solo online? People tend to participate and the waves are evaporated practically instantly before they're much of a threat.
"ES Warlock does this without issue". That's because Warlock is broken and severely OP currently. I killed DClone on my ES Warlock using Blade of Alibaba without much hassle...that ain't right lol.
"I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters". Probably. If you want a character that will easily handle P8 by itself anyway.
I could get all those numbers, but I decided to just cut to the chase and edit a character just like mine on single player. Of course, when adding items they are all perfect. So, at level 99 with perfect gear, max es (no crazy buffs so 90%), the thing couldn’t reliably Teleport to the throne. It’s funny, every time I get in Baal games I ask “why do we have 3 sorc and no one will tele?”… well, I can see why. If at 99 with BiS perfect role items, it gets smashed by 8 souls on P1 then what is this character even for?
At this point, everything below is just a rant. Feel free to stop reading.
Say what you want about the ES warlock, but it made the game fun for people that have lives. I don’t want to *need* 8 different characters to be able to play the entire game at p8 (and p8 is so important because you cannot choose how many players are in your game online (try making a 3 people game and watch no one stay), not to mention if you ever want good drops). It was nice to have one utility character that could do anything… when TZ is Chaos/durance/tombs/cata/trav/cows/whatever, swap to the warlock and run it for 30 min, when you need to rush someone to levels 84 to equip a stupid andarials visage on a merc, grab the warlock, rush, then norm/nm/hell Baal and in a few hours that char is 84.
When you want to struggle and play an interesting build, go for it… but meanwhile, the warlock can be your efficiency build
That actually helps you get items to gear the other characters without spending your entire life playing. I tried this when d2r came out… bought a copy for me and my wife. Around level 7x we both got bored and quit because finding your own gear with builds that could barely clear content was boring. Getting your body in an MF run was boring.
Here I am making meta builds with BiS gear and blizzard has managed to nerf something about each character so the casual player simply cannot ever tz an entire game and clear it. The warlock brought me back, and it looks like the nerf will probably send me away again. I didn’t buy a game be stressed out in my free time, have to ask questions on the internet to find out what I am already seeing: your damage dealing character are fragile and will die, and your tanky characters will not be able to complete content. Hell, this is the first time ever that I have purchased items. I’ve decked out characters to the tune of $300 or more trying to have just one character that doesn’t suck so I can find gear for the others.
I thought the sunders were supposed to fix the problem with not being able to use your character in hell … I guess not. I remember when you could play a WW barb through hell and kill everything (watch out for Iron Maiden) or an orb sorc, or hammerdin, javazon… you could find items just playing… heaven forbid someone has 30 FRW str/dex tri res Boots @ lvl 22…. Oh dear that would just be too bad.
How many times are they going to do this? Hammerdin is doing Baal runs too fast… let’s make it so he can’t do them at all! Everyone just paid for our expansion pack and is enjoying the warlock? Can’t have that, let’s take the damage down to 12% of what it was. Nerf the chars and gear so that they have to make new items (runewords) just to play the game. Then nerf it again and start from scratch. Make it so that every character wears the same ugly ass gear because without runewords, you can’t play the game with any reasonable QOL instead of peope wearing truly unique to them gear that they found themselves… I mean look at Enigma and tell me why soul spur was overpowered?
Edit: oh and how could I forget, nerf drop chance because people who play this game as their job said it was too easy to find items. Meanwhile, the rest of us who played for years straight as kids and on and off since then have probably never even found an soj. Oh and also make things like FCR variable down to the individual percentage, so even if we do find that item we have been looking for for years, it gets us 1% from the breakpoint because screw you.
That’s an interesting idea. I’m actually not used to ever using the respec feature, but that’s an option
What I decided to do was use hero editor to just max ES and grab a CureHelm and run Baal. (My actual character is online). Well, on P1 on my way to Baal, I get trashed by a mob of whisps or whatever they are called.
I’m getting very frustrated with this. All I wanted was a char that can rush fast and then p8 Baal solo to level up the rushed character. ES warlock does this without an issue.
Hammerdin sucks and can’t get past wave two even with sunder (side question, how do those bots do Baal runs? They have no merc), ES dies, javazon dies. Oddly enough, the character I play when I’m bored is an Ice bow zon and that thing doesn’t really have any issues with survivability and even can 1 shot almost anything on p1… just not a caster, doesn’t use Enigma and if it did, fcr is slow.
I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters only to find that they suck lol. I’ve got like 8 arch mesh and 5 war travs like a dozen sojs, a bunch of enigmas and all sorts of stupid Eth gear
Never respec'd? Whoa.
Whisps are always nasty, but can be downright brutal pending modifiers. My sorc is using a Wisp Projector I found. Even with lowest roll of 10% lightning absorb, goes up to 20, it definitely made Gloams/Scarabs/lightning mobs much, much less of a concern.
Can you list your skill distribution currently? It must be 20 hard points into Telekinesis and Energy Shield; then the more + skills the better. My Sorc has 28 to ES currently and is survival is solid, albeit in P1. I also up'd a Nightsmoke for the 50% damage taken goes to mana, and that is working well.
Buff your ES at the stash before the run. Easy to get +4/+5 to all skills, if not +6 or higher to ES with Memory staff, and then you'd be at lvl 35-37 Energy Shield for 90%, or more, absorb. Get ES high enough and then your biggest problem is poison. Sandstorm Trek instead of Waterwalk for up to 70% poison resist. Max poison resist w/ (small) charms then if need be.
Do you have a point into Frozen Armor? Major survival boost when you accidentally Teleport into a hard hitting physical pack.
Warmth? With 1 base point and your current +11 to skills, would be 162% mana regen. What level Meditation Aura on your Insight? Mana regen ranges from 575-700. If you're missing Warmth and have a lvl 12 roll, you're short 287% regen in total.
_______________________________________________
"P8 Baal Solo" is a tall order IMO without best gear and an inventory full of light skill (and other useful) charms to have lvl 40 ES, for the 95% absorb, and peak damage to make this plausible. I've never really had a character that felt particularly strong, or could do things 'easily', in P8 solo. Also, why the fixation on handling Baal runs solo online? People tend to participate and the waves are evaporated practically instantly before they're much of a threat.
"ES Warlock does this without issue". That's because Warlock is broken and severely OP currently. I killed DClone on my ES Warlock using Blade of Alibaba without much hassle...that ain't right lol.
"I need to stop buying gear for multiple characters". Probably. If you want a character that will easily handle P8 by itself anyway.
I could get all those numbers, but I decided to just cut to the chase and edit a character just like mine on single player. Of course, when adding items they are all perfect. So, at level 99 with perfect gear, max es (no crazy buffs so 90%), the thing couldn’t reliably Teleport to the throne. It’s funny, every time I get in Baal games I ask “why do we have 3 sorc and no one will tele?”… well, I can see why. If at 99 with BiS perfect role items, it gets smashed by 8 souls on P1 then what is this character even for?
At this point, everything below is just a rant. Feel free to stop reading.
Say what you want about the ES warlock, but it made the game fun for people that have lives. I don’t want to *need* 8 different characters to be able to play the entire game at p8 (and p8 is so important because you cannot choose how many players are in your game online (try making a 3 people game and watch no one stay), not to mention if you ever want good drops). It was nice to have one utility character that could do anything… when TZ is Chaos/durance/tombs/cata/trav/cows/whatever, swap to the warlock and run it for 30 min, when you need to rush someone to levels 84 to equip a stupid andarials visage on a merc, grab the warlock, rush, then norm/nm/hell Baal and in a few hours that char is 84.
When you want to struggle and play an interesting build, go for it… but meanwhile, the warlock can be your efficiency build
That actually helps you get items to gear the other characters without spending your entire life playing. I tried this when d2r came out… bought a copy for me and my wife. Around level 7x we both got bored and quit because finding your own gear with builds that could barely clear content was boring. Getting your body in an MF run was boring.
Here I am making meta builds with BiS gear and blizzard has managed to nerf something about each character so the casual player simply cannot ever tz an entire game and clear it. The warlock brought me back, and it looks like the nerf will probably send me away again. I didn’t buy a game be stressed out in my free time, have to ask questions on the internet to find out what I am already seeing: your damage dealing character are fragile and will die, and your tanky characters will not be able to complete content. Hell, this is the first time ever that I have purchased items. I’ve decked out characters to the tune of $300 or more trying to have just one character that doesn’t suck so I can find gear for the others.
I thought the sunders were supposed to fix the problem with not being able to use your character in hell … I guess not. I remember when you could play a WW barb through hell and kill everything (watch out for Iron Maiden) or an orb sorc, or hammerdin, javazon… you could find items just playing… heaven forbid someone has 30 FRW str/dex tri res Boots @ lvl 22…. Oh dear that would just be too bad.
How many times are they going to do this? Hammerdin is doing Baal runs too fast… let’s make it so he can’t do them at all! Everyone just paid for our expansion pack and is enjoying the warlock? Can’t have that, let’s take the damage down to 12% of what it was. Nerf the chars and gear so that they have to make new items (runewords) just to play the game. Then nerf it again and start from scratch. Make it so that every character wears the same ugly ass gear because without runewords, you can’t play the game with any reasonable QOL instead of peope wearing truly unique to them gear that they found themselves… I mean look at Enigma and tell me why soul spur was overpowered?
Edit: oh and how could I forget, nerf drop chance because people who play this game as their job said it was too easy to find items. Meanwhile, the rest of us who played for years straight as kids and on and off since then have probably never even found an soj. Oh and also make things like FCR variable down to the individual percentage, so even if we do find that item we have been looking for for years, it gets us 1% from the breakpoint because screw you.
I don't believe the game was ever designed so a single person/build would be able to reliably clear every aspect of the game in a difficulty meant for a group of 8 players. Different classes are supposed to have different strengths and weaknesses. Being able to steamroll any obstacle is not very entertaining to me.
I enjoyed leveling my Warlock, and everyone can have their own opinion, but it's very, very OP in its current state. Saying the damage output of the Warlock will be 12% based off of napkin math by people on the internet, regardless of their credentials/expertise regarding this game, when the final changes and patch haven't been released yetis just looking for something to be upset about.
What I don't understand is why you spent $ buying items when you could have used the character editor offline beforehand to see if it would have been worthwhile or not.
I don't see how you can't survive P1 Worldstone at level 99 with 'perfect gear' and 'bis items'. I'm doing that just fine as explained in my other posts. Something doesn't add up.
Sorry you're having a bad time, maybe you should step away for a little while.
"You can't fight if you're already dead." - A powerful mage.
... So, at level 99 with perfect gear, max es (no crazy buffs so 90%), the thing couldn’t reliably Teleport to the throne. It’s funny, every time I get in Baal games I ask “why do we have 3 sorc and no one will tele?”… well, I can see why. If at 99 with BiS perfect role items, it gets smashed by 8 souls on P1 then what is this character even for? ...
I understand your frustration, really. On one side, the Myth about lvl 99 Nova Sorc + BiS gear = destroying ANY P8 content AND being totally immortal is just wrong (and please note 90% ES is not max. 95% is, and it makes a big difference already in P1 with souls and dolls).
Many people, myself included, showed many viable options underlining balance between damage and survivability. Did you try following the suggestions?
Me, I'm a "couch player", and just wanted to be able to do ANY content P1-3 except Ubers: with 3k mana, 95% ES, 20 lvl tele, 105FCR and decent light res (or md reduction) you have ALL the time to kill any group of souls or decide to get away. You can take their lightnings while you hit them (2 novas and they're gone). Of course they harm you, and if you hesitate, you can die. In my transition from level 95 to level 96 (with Eschuta+CoH+Spirit) I died once to TZ souls. But I was playing from my couch
Griffon, Infinity (either self or merc) and CtA are game changers (CtA is Key to reach ES 95% and enough mana if you self wield), and 6 skillers really uplift your damage output overall. If you don't self wield you have a LOT more options about how to get there, with a little less damage with immunes.
Then of course, it's not LoD 1.09, its D2R. The ceiling got higher, trading plays a more relevant role now if you want to get there, but the nature didn't change: you have to find the right balance to get as close as you can to the goals you have, with the tools you have, to have fun. And the path to it is actually the fun part. Just my 2 cents.
I enjoyed leveling my Warlock, and everyone can have their own opinion, but it's very, very OP in its current state. Saying the damage output of the Warlock will be 12% based off of napkin math by people on the internet, regardless of their credentials/expertise regarding this game, when the final changes and patch haven't been released yetis just looking for something to be upset about.
I don't see how you can't survive P1 Worldstone at level 99 with 'perfect gear' and 'bis items'. I'm doing that just fine as explained in my other posts. Something doesn't add up.
I think your final changes means next patch.
Let's say, if you purchase a game and only able play 2 month, which warlock are you going to play
1.one warlock that can clear 8p easily ( now ) or
2. work hard to gear up but only able to clean 5p with similar speed.(6 month warlock after release
The other thing about you mention suit up and bis-item.
Think about fire druid... is that easy job for perfect suit up fire druid to kill 1p tz Baal?
In some way, fire druid can be fun than warlock if you think it is completely different game.
Ignore the balance, you can play it feel fun, that is most important thing. bz is impossible to change long dead fire-druid. that player base is exhaust/die out for long wait buff.
Please be aware, all my trade is in non ladder d2r. Not warlock.
I understand your frustration, really. On one side, the Myth about lvl 99 Nova Sorc + BiS gear = destroying ANY P8 content ANDbeing totally immortal is just wrong (and please note 90% ES is not max. 95% is, and it makes a big difference already in P1 with souls and dolls).
Then of course, it's not LoD 1.09, its D2R. The ceiling got higher, trading plays a more relevant role now if you want to get there, but the nature didn't change: you have to find the right balance to get as close as you can to the goals you have, with the tools you have, to have fun. And the path to it is actually the fun part. Just my 2 cents.
I thought about these two points after my response.
1) The tank-iness is blown out of proportion by streamers/etc. If you really want that "immortality", then 95% absorb from ES is necessary.
I will say however, even with 'only' 83% absorb using The Gladiator's Bane and Nightsmoke, for high damage to mana, my Frozen Orb Sorc can take a pretty decent beating; and this is w/o a Torch or CTA for a boost to health/mana pools. You can further the flat magic DR by using a Dwarf Star. The only (2) things that really present a problem are Nihlathak's Corpse Expolsion and Dolls, but I can take a 2-3 shots which is usually enough to pop a purple and flee if necessary.
2) I think there is definitely a rose-tinted glasses effect happening. I played a whole lot back then as well, but things change/evolve and you must do so also.
but the nature didn't change: you have to find the right balance to get as close as you can to the goals you have, with the tools you have, to have fun. And the path to it is actually the fun part
Very much so agree. It is one of the primary reasons this game is so legendary; and still kicking. The itemization and options available to make a build viable until you can make it to GG/BiS status; if you ever do lol. This is also the reason responses here have been lengthy. There's a lot of moving parts, so changing one piece of gear can really have a detrimental positive, or negative, domino effect.
"You can't fight if you're already dead." - A powerful mage.
I enjoyed leveling my Warlock, and everyone can have their own opinion, but it's very, very OP in its current state. Saying the damage output of the Warlock will be 12% based off of napkin math by people on the internet, regardless of their credentials/expertise regarding this game, when the final changes and patch haven't been released yetis just looking for something to be upset about.
I don't see how you can't survive P1 Worldstone at level 99 with 'perfect gear' and 'bis items'. I'm doing that just fine as explained in my other posts. Something doesn't add up.
I think your final changes means next patch.
Let's say, if you purchase a game and only able play 2 month, which warlock are you going to play
1.one warlock that can clear 8p easily ( now ) or
2. work hard to gear up but only able to clean 5p with similar speed.(6 month warlock after release
The other thing about you mention suit up and bis-item.
Think about fire druid... is that easy job for perfect suit up fire druid to kill 1p tz Baal?
In some way, fire druid can be fun than warlock if you think it is completely different game.
Ignore the balance, you can play it feel fun, that is most important thing. bz is impossible to change long dead fire-druid. that player base is exhaust/die out for long wait buff.
I do mean next patch. Getting upset over changes that haven't been finalized is still unwise.
I will play both, but the point still stands that ES Warlock is currently busted.
Lots of builds can be fun, but not effective. The problem here is OP is looking for something that will not die while decimating P8, but we already know that Warlock can do just that. Since they have several Enigmas, and other high level gear, I'm now wondering why the Nova Sorceress even matters. Just use the Warlock that you already have.
"You can't fight if you're already dead." - A powerful mage.
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