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Hello friends,

I recently found the above mentioned item (perfect roll -45%) and I'm wondering why it is priced so high. There are so few magic immune monsters out there that paying 3-4
Jah
just for a hammerdin to kill instead of avoiding it seems pointless. Or maybe I'm very wrong and I don't understand something...


Rare, worthless, makes you die faster... and should be Black. ;)
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Vaako 14

Paladin Europe PC
Hello friends,

I recently found the above mentioned item (perfect roll -45%) and I'm wondering why it is priced so high. There are so few magic immune monsters out there that paying 3-4
Jah
just for a hammerdin to kill instead of avoiding it seems pointless. Or maybe I'm very wrong and I don't understand something...


Rare, worthless, makes you die faster... and should be Black. ;)
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Makes you wish for nuclear winter instead of using it against magic immune enemies, takes up 3 inventory slots while doing so, serpent magi now spear your with their bones much more effectively on top.

Is priced high only because it's the rarest of them all + speculators. Gotta catch'em all?

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A lot of people do
Baal
runs as hammerdins, being useless in a2 wave slows them down... so even a bad
Black Cleft
can help for that specific example but high prices for such minor differences (-45 is multiple
Jah
, -50 is an
Ist
) is normal, people will pay top runes for marginal increases in power.

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I do not accept any rune lower than
Lem
for trades, with the exception of
Ral
.

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I don't understand the point of
Black Cleft
, doesn't it only reduce enemy magic resist to 95%? There's nothing that lowers enemy magic resist so even a GG hammerdin will barely do any damage to sundered enemies.
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tatarjj wrote: 3 years ago
[...] so even a GG hammerdin will barely do any damage to sundered enemies.
Well, 5% from a trazillion is still a bazillion. ;)

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yeah i guess its better than nothing, and what else are you gonna spend runes on when you got bis everything?
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Necrarch 3475Moderator

Resurrected Necromancer Europe PC
I tend to think that even for HDin (and same for Bone Necro), the charm space can be better used than to put a
Black Cleft
that takes 3 spaces and endangers you for the few monsters concerned that you can simply kill by many other means (like a good old sword in the middle of their face). But yeah, as of now its use is very blurry.

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Necrarch wrote: 3 years ago
I tend to think that even for HDin (and same for Bone Necro), the charm space can be better used than to put a
Black Cleft
that takes 3 spaces and endangers you for the few monsters concerned that you can simply kill by many other means (like a good old sword in the middle of their face). But yeah, as of now its use is very blurry.
It's incredible that the devs don't see how useless it is. Why does every sunder charm have to work exactly the same? The narrow-mindedness is astounding, and the fix is so simple- make
Black Cleft
Cap
enemy magic resistance at something like 50%. Likewise, since there's also no such thing as physical rainbow facets or gear that does minus enemy physical resistance, the physical sunder charm should also
Cap
enemy physical resistance at some moderate value like 50%. Though at least with physical, you can amp damage or
Decrepify
enemies.
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Nosgothy wrote: 3 years ago
tatarjj wrote: 3 years ago
[...] so even a GG hammerdin will barely do any damage to sundered enemies.
Well, 5% from a trazillion is still a bazillion. ;)
Trazillion is not a number, and neither is a bazillion. As far as actual numbers go, I haven't played a hammerdin except to level up a smiter or FoHadin (as I find
Blessed Hammer
to be excruciatingly clunky and infuriating to use), but I'm pretty sure real hammerdin hammer damage is something like 20k with gg gear. 5% of 20k is 1k. Your post implies that it's a lot of damage, but 1k per hammer is pathetically weak.
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Geez don't be such a buzzkill. I was obviously being sarcastic.

As for the actual answer. It is enough damage to slowly take out wave 2 of
Baal
without having to rely on a merc.

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Nosgothy wrote: 3 years ago
Geez don't be such a buzzkill. I was obviously being sarcastic.

As for the actual answer. It is enough damage to slowly take out wave 2 of
Baal
without having to rely on a merc.
To be fair though, your math is off. 5% of a trazillion are actually 50 bazillion, assuming the naming conventions for real numbers apply to made up ones.

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Schnorki 4556Moderator

RotW PC
Hmm...how many bazillion are in a metric fuckton again?

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Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago
Hmm...how many bazillion are in a metric fuckton again?
At LEAST tree fiddy!

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Queegon wrote: 3 years ago
Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago
Hmm...how many bazillion are in a metric fuckton again?
At LEAST tree fiddy!
I was gonna say 69, but your guess is obviously as good as mine. ^^

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Necrarch 3475Moderator

Resurrected Necromancer Europe PC
Topic necromancy, but still.
We concluded above that the old Black clefs was useless.
Now for my Bone necro, is really a
Renewed Black Cleft
worth it ?

Indeed all few magic immunes have 100 magic res sharp so sundering is only worth 5 res points.

Sure the renewed adds a ton of stuff, bit adding 45% more magic damage is big !

On the other hand,
The Guardian
Light already adds -magic res and +magic damage,
Sling
goes on top... so for the ones who tested the new one, worth it or not ?

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Schnorki 4556Moderator

RotW PC
Necrarch wrote: 19 hours ago
Topic necromancy, but still.
We concluded above that the old Black clefs was useless.
Now for my Bone necro, is really a
Renewed Black Cleft
worth it ?

Indeed all few magic immunes have 100 magic res sharp so sundering is only worth 5 res points.

Sure the renewed adds a ton of stuff, bit adding 45% more magic damage is big !

On the other hand,
The Guardian
Light already adds -magic res and +magic damage,
Sling
goes on top... so for the ones who tested the new one, worth it or not ?
Bone necro, hammerdin, multiple warlock builds...totally worth it.

Sunder to 95 = mweh.
Stone to around 85 = better but mweh.
Renewed to around 75 = okay, can start to work with that.

Plus depending on the build you can then add
Gheed
's for another 7, meph for another 20 (damn locks..), hellwarden's for another 8, a
Sling
or two for 5 each..

It all adds up nicely to the point of being more than viable and not having to resort to 'backup attacks' or relying on your merc anymore.

And how often do you really get hit by magic attacks?
I've never actually felt that 45% bump.

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Necrarch 3475Moderator

Resurrected Necromancer Europe PC
Ok, so no issue of survivability with -45% on your own magic res ?

Good to know, thanks Schnorki !

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Schnorki 4556Moderator

RotW PC
Necrarch wrote: 17 hours ago
Ok, so no issue of survivability with -45% on your own magic res ?

Good to know, thanks Schnorki !
None that I've ever found, nope.

Unless you PvP against a Bone necro I guess.. :P

If it has you too worried though for whatever reason, go grab some Horazon
Boots
and you get 30% back.

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Necrarch 3475Moderator

Resurrected Necromancer Europe PC
Hmmm, I expected "magic res" to be like
Mal
rune, so all sources of non physical damage, including elemental ones.

But from what you say, it's only "pure" magic attacks that are more efficient due to
Black Cleft
, do I understand right ?

Are there any monsters applying such attack type, except the
Bone Spear
from the Claw Vipers ?

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Schnorki 4556Moderator

RotW PC
I honestly don't even know how many monsters really have magic attacks. Let alone ones worth mentioning. The skelly mages in CS have Bone spirits I guess but those don't exactly do much dmg either, with or without cleft.

Have yet to find a single case of "hm..that hurt..odd" with cleft that made me look into it which I guess says it all. Nothing to worry about imo.

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