Latent sunder charm droprates

the fact that they gated legacy d2 and rotw is a fantastic choice IMO and didn't force the update or merge the choices.

I don't really agree with the idea of being able to convert ladder characters during the ladder, but i also really don't care i guess. Playing offline I still have all my old sunders so it's no issue. I have killed a TON of heralds and still haven't seen one, but i think that's what makes D2 so unique, is the grind for items.

That being said - i'd certainly be okay if they doubled the drop rate of latent sunders...yes i may be a hypocrite

Salty and entitled. Fine.

I think the drop ods are ok. Maybe on the low side, but ok. Gives me something to do on NL. Something to chase.

The reason for why I keep coming back to this game is, that I haven't found everything yet.

jgrilly wrote: 2 hours ago

I have a question about drop mechanics. Let's say I'm in a game with two other people independently hunting heralds. A

Herald spawns for 1 person, then all 3 of us come together for the kill. Is the NoDrop based on essentially P3, since that's how it spawned, or P5, since that's how it was killed?

Important to focus on the graph above. You have /playercountx in game, and then you have /partysizex as well.

These variables influence the NoDrop %.

If you have 3 total players in the game, and 3 parties players, you need to be in the same area of the kill to gain the benefit.

If it is only you, and the other two were not present, then that is a /Players3 /Party1 NoDrop. If all if you were there, then it is /players3 /party3.

In then the sunder chart example above:

Players3 / Party1 = You have to kill 1 in 119 Heralds to get "Any Latent Sunder"

Players3 / Party3 = You have to kill 1 in 80 Heralds to get "Any Latent Sunder"

Hope this helped

War The Wise wrote: 1 hour ago

Players3 / Party1 = You have to kill 1 in 119 Heralds to get "Any Latent Sunder"

Players3 / Party3 = You have to kill 1 in 80 Heralds to get "Any Latent Sunder"

Hope this helped

Thx for the further infos! This does mean that when I have a

Herald in the game, still alive and I get two further players to join my game and we all three are near the

Herald when he is killed the 3/3 bonus will be applied, right?

I was excited at first about having the new content, now that I know better my opinion has done 180. Problem with Sunders and Statues is not the RNG per se, but the path to obtain them is simply flawed to levels of stupidity. Often used critique I have seen used with D4 is "Do the devs even play their own game?". I think the Sunder/Statue gives an answer to that, or rather the designer was simply ignorant to how the mass of D2 players play this game.

Players group together to trade, to level, to rush/walk. or even do quests. What they historically do not do is MF/farm. Most players are essentially solo P1rs. In the season past I found several Sunders, 2x Fire & 1x Cold which made me think to make a Cold Sorc.

Key here is that I found these just playing the game. ROTW introduced mechanic that I just find idiotic.

• Sunders - No longer can the player just play the game, or play how THEY have found over the years works best. What people do now is use a Shard to which they have to spend hours and hours clearing entire areas in hopes
  Herald spawns. On P1 this is a miserable experience. Alternatively some report just staying in the same game waiting for an area to be Terrorized in hopes of finding a
  Herald, many are reporting back spending hours in the game.

• Statues/New Ubers. This too is another "WTF were they thinking moment. So the statue can only be found on bosses...check, OK. But it can only be a boss whose area is Terrorized. Huh? What? WTF were they thinking. Here too, you not only need to deal with RNG of a drop, but the RNG you may get a boss zone terrorized while you are playing. This may take 2-3 hours between rotation. Could it get any worse? Well that challenge was accepted as the TZs are now 30 minutes, so ....30 min to farm. Good luck farming
  Duriel if that is the only TZ you get in a day.

I am happy to see a game that has lived with me for almost half my life get updated with new content. I like the Warlock, I like the skills and the play. I LOVE the QOL changes. Both of what I listed above just goes against the grain of how people have played this game for decades. Maybe you the reader may be different, I am describing how the vast majority have played this game for decades. Player creates game, they go to the areas they find or desire to farm. These are usually bosses or areas like Chaos/Trav that get cleared. Just like how 26 years on we are still killing cows. What we do not do except on a lark is spend hours in the same game clearing every little creature in hopes of a good drop.

Reporting to disagree duty!:)

So i'm the one who actually enjoys exactly what bothers you. And yes, I'm online P1 player mostly.

- Sunders - ok, I have to give it to you that they are little too hard to find. BUT they're not obligatory to play the game. Given you can simply trade for the old ones those few extra stats on renewed charms are not game changing.
And yes, I like running those full TZ Acts. Thanks to this mechanic first time in 20 years i had a reason to do full act clearing and I enjoyed it.

- Statues from TZ bosses are exacty what speaks to me, because now I have extra goal in killing big boss and honestly it was always my thing to do in this game. Running those zones as fast as i can with stronger monsters thanks to new TZs and rethinking my patterns gave me a lot of fun. I like random Heralds on my way that make it even harder.
Optimizing routes to bosses was something i focused first in recent days. I will posting on this soon.

They way we should look at those new challenges is to really enjoy the way to the prize which actually SHOULD take long. Instant gratification would be disapointing. Even more, having any of those things (Sunders/Statues/Jewels) easy would kill any joy for me. And when I think about what this game always was is exactly that what I try to say: slow grind toward target.

PS It's second week of ROTW and first week of ladder. And people complain they're not having endgame stuff yet. So who's wrong here:)