Minimum level for rare gamble to possibly get 6 lines

vued wrote: 15 hours ago

In his last response, Deckard is quite right. Not only did he get correct that rares have a minimum of 3 affixes (some sources falsely claim it's 2), he also points out that you should optimize the level based on the specific affixe you want to see. 6 crappy affixes will still make a crappy item.

I wish there was a guide at which level which items should be gambled.

There are pieces scattered on this Internet, like
- circlets/coronets: 92, 87, 82, 77 (to get 2 skills)
- rare amulets 95 (to get 2 skills)
- amulets for crafting: 93-95
- rings for crafting: 80-83
- tri res boots: 31 / 42 (for additional 30frw / 10 fhr)
- 2/20 gloves: 46, 55 (mana), 59 (dex), 62 (str)
- any boots / gloves: 62 (because gheed's fortune)

AI is total BS on this topic, Google often quotes PD2 sources, Reddit is full of people sharing unqualified "rumors" and guides only scratch the basics.

Does anyone have good resources on this so that you don't have to calculate the optimal level by hand for all items and configurations?

You are correct, AI doesn't seem to get it and the thread i tried so hard to keep clean is now filled with crap, which is unfortunate.

I'm going to try making a clean post with what i've learned here.

First, two things to keep in mind :

1 - My goal is to know when to gamble *early* which means i am not going to epic rolls. The list you shown in the previous comments are mostly too late and i'd say past lvl 50 it's better just to play the game with high mf and get good rare loot. For early ladder, some good early gambles can grant you gloves and bootz with good stats and most importantly mf, for a cheap price. Note that there are very few options for gloves and bootz for mf (Chance Guards and War Traveler, Cow King's Hooves (which comes in WAY later than their level req),Immortal King's Pillar (2 items set), Sigon's Sabot (3 items set), or Arctic Binding (2 items set, usually with the gloves)).

The only other option is mf gloves and bootz single lines blue from charsi but that option scales terribly for obvious reasons.

2 - My line of reasoning excludes exceptional and elite bases. I think if you gamble something great normal it's very inexpensive to up to exceptional, and upping to elite for bootz and gloves rarely pays off the price of the runes. Except the very rare 40%frw/35%mf blue bootz i am not focusing on blue gamble but yellow.

That being said i came up with some quick rules of thumbs. From Leox post i think he is correct that you can always get 6 affixes IF 6 compatible affixes are possible at certain level. I did not fully determine that level because it's a lot of work to determine which affixes are compatible or incompatible but using the linked affix guide from gamefaqs (unsure if updated) gives you a good general idea.

Now keeping in mind the two important formulae :

ilvl=alvl+qlvl/2 gives us [2,4,6,10,14] for all 5 kinds of gloves and bootz

clvl -5 to clvl +4 gives us flat +5 to make sure every roll has a chance to get an affix

So the rule is simple, any affix you want, start gambling [7,9,11,15,19] level above it depending on which base you want. I would argue the two higher base comes in too late to be relevant, so focus on the first three.

Now back to the affix guide :

For bootz you get 3 possible SUFFIX at ilvl 6 (dex, fhr, light+ar), so for 6 lines gamble at lvl 13 for boots, 15 for heavy boots and 17 for chain boots

For gloves you get 3 possible SUFFIX at ilvl 6 as well (dex, str, light+ar), so for 6 lines it's the same gamble at lvl 13 for leather gloves, 15 for heavy gloves and 17 for chain gloves

But that's for the bare minimum.

Now more importantly (do the +7 +9 or +11 yourself here)

bootz :
trires (albeit low) : 5
trires 10%frw 5-15%mf : 12
trires 10%frw 16-25%mf : 16
trires 10%frw 16-25%mf 41-80%gold : 17
trires 20%frw 16-25%mf 41-80%gold : 22

Too late :
30% frw comes at 37..... -_-

gloves :
trires (albeit low, unknown if possible never seen trires gloves) : 5
trires half-freeze-duration : 10
trires half-freeze-duration 5-15%mf : 12
trires half-freeze-duration 16-25%mf : 16
trires half-freeze-duration 16-25%mf 41-80%gold : 17
trires half-freeze-duration 16-25%mf 41-80%gold 10%ias : 20
+1 martial art or +1 one of the three amazon skill is also lvl 20 (good to know)

Too late :
2-5% life leech comes at 34
2-5% mana leech comes at 35
+2 martial arts or +2 one of the three amazon skill comes at 40
20% ias comes at lvl 43


WHAT'S MY HOT TAKE THEN?

The +5 from clvl -5 to clvl +4 makes gambling for certainty too late, so i think in early ladder we should gamble regardless of certainty at certain thresholds

What to buy at which level :

1 - 13 : Charsi mf blue gloves and bootz

What to gamble at which level :

1 - 13 : dagger (try getting Gull, one lucky roll will grant you insane mf)

14 : try your luck at leather gloves and boots for 5-15% mf, disregard the +5 from clvl -5 to clvl +4. It's inexpensive enough for you to gamble a lot until lvl 21 and gold has no other uses.

21 : heavy boots (chance of getting Sander's Riprap, while not mf bootz, lvl 20 req for 40%frw, and full chances of getting 5-15% mf and good chance of getting 16-25%mf). *note : sanders gloves are ilvl28 and cap (35%mf) is ilvl25. While those are higher level you might consider gambling for those too but imo it's beyond the scope of this exercise.

25 : chain gloves (chance of getting Change Guards) *best lvl with edge runword*

33 : chain boots for trires 20%frw 16-25%mf 41-80%gold. by lvl 33 also you have a good chance of getting the juicy blue 35% mf (alvl 26, optimal lvl at 37)

get chancies via trade if you don't have them by lvl 33. Then i think chain boots is the way to go until forever, because trires bootz are holy grails worthy of pursuit. one could argue chain gloves for 2/20 with res and leech, which is also a holy grail item, but that's like lvl 51 for chain gloves and it's in the middle of the deadzone after edge and before gheeds.

Bonus : You might want to try your luck for War Traveler reaching roughly level 55 according to google. 62 is right at the door for gheed's. At that moment i would start gambling Light Plated Boots / Battle Boots , not only you get a chance at trires 25%mf yellow with 30%frw, you also get a chance for the mythical 40%frw/35%mf blues. You also get a chance for Goblin Toe and Aldur's Advance too, which are easily tradable.

50%mf War Traveler is the holy grail of them all and the 95str req still remains decent.

affix guide from gamefaqs : https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/370600 ... faqs/20254