3/20/20

How do people get 3/20/20 or 10/76/45 charms? I see people on traderie with like 10+. Like how is that even possible? How are people getting that many

Jah to trade?

Bots. The answer is always bots.

Randall67 wrote: 2 months ago

How do people get 3/20/20 or 10/76/45 charms? I see people on traderie with like 10+. Like how is that even possible? How are people getting that many

Jah to trade?

Some player doesnt like play farming...
Is is very easy to get it with USD, especially in asia local service. Asia market sell

Jah really cheap compare to US. Likely 3x difference.
I can see those in my local market , 0.7 USD per

Jah. And I see half price in mainland but I am not familiar with that area trade.

It is something like 300

Jah 50~90 usd . Big volume purchase...

(while usa, it is 1.5 usd per

Jah , I dont look very detailly , only peek.)

It is very cheap thing compare to modern mobile game, I assume that in mobile game play style, 5 usd in D2 able to makes you buy everything that have high price/ value, play like you are fully equip up. And mobile game, you literally didnt get anything in 5 USD.

This makes people want to pay small to enjoy play in d2r .


And it is not just bots, true reason is that

Jah has no where to spend in late stage of game, it only going to increase and you cant use it efficiently.
The

Jah value going down day by day.

leox wrote: 2 months ago

And it is not just bots, true reason is that

Jah has no where to spend in late stage of game, it only going to increase and you cant use it efficiently.
The

Jah value going down day by day.

I am not sure this is entirely true. It seems to me the value of

Jah has slightly increased in the last weeks or months. Not long ago you could get a

Jah for 9-10

Ist. Currently it is mostly back to 12

Ist - at least from what I see (which is admittedly very limited ) I suspect one further additional factor is the "player base" which seems to decrease and therefore less people are trading. In my estimation especially prices for crafting materials (like gems and low runes) are going down significantly.

But in the end, the massive

Jah volume on the market is of course due to bots (and "real money" shops). Since I started playing last year in June I found 4

Jah - and this seems to me to be very lucky, especially when you consider that I am only a "casual" player (none of my current three Chars are above lvl 97).

Places like jsp enable vast "generational" fortune over many many seasons with only few desirable items to spend on.

oOKIWIOo wrote: 2 months ago

leox wrote: 2 months ago

And it is not just bots, true reason is that

Jah has no where to spend in late stage of game, it only going to increase and you cant use it efficiently.
The

Jah value going down day by day.

I am not sure this is entirely true. It seems to me the value of

Jah has slightly increased in the last weeks or months. Not long ago you could get a

Jah for 9-10

Ist. Currently it is mostly back to 12

Ist - at least from what I see (which is admittedly very limited ) I suspect one further additional factor is the "player base" which seems to decrease and therefore less people are trading. In my estimation especially prices for crafting materials (like Gems and low runes) are going down significantly.

But in the end, the massive

Jah volume on the market is of course due to bots (and "real money" shops). Since I started playing last year in June I found 4

Jah - and this seems to me to be very lucky, especially when you consider that I am only a "casual" player (none of my current three Chars is above lvl 97).

Hi, I mean decrease value is that

Jah against real world money, USD.
In game,

Jah increase over time, it was 10

Ist = 1

Jah, and it can reach 16

Ist = 1

Jah now.


That I find only 1

Jah in my entire play time.

Ist is different story, it produces more and use volume is not enough , over time it will decrease value against

Jah but still has value.

leox wrote: 2 months ago

Hi, I mean decrease value is that

Jah against real world money, USD.
In game,

Jah increase over time, it was 10

Ist = 1

Jah, and it can reach 16

Ist = 1

Jah now.

That I find only 1

Jah in my entire play time.

Ah OK, thanks for clarification And gl with your future

Jah findings!

Many people are playing since day one and with trade you can gain many

Jah, but it's time consuming.
Than think about people doing trade since day one... They have tons of very expensive items.

Randall67 wrote: 2 months ago

How do people get 3/20/20 or 10/76/45 charms? I see people on traderie with like 10+. Like how is that even possible? How are people getting that many

Jah to trade?

Bots.
Incase you have missed it, d2 original and d2r are fully kept alive by bots. If blizzard would start to care about their products, they would go ahead and ban all botters, but that would then kill the game completely. They cant do that right?...

Id rather see this game closed completely than have it being this bot infested garbage, but the blizzard does not care.

the other way is to save a cup of coffee money that you can buy everything and play different char, build. That's bright side of end stage game.

Or stop play and come back after another 10 season and use coffee money to buy what you want . I think it will be easy to buy all peak item with coffee money.

At least , this is what I feel, I was come back from S1, it was very difficult to get torch. Likely several hundred of usd to buy 1 poor torch.(likely it was 1000

Jah in current value, drop to 1

Ist less after 10 season)

If I'd believe in any kind of deities, I would be praying terrible things to people who use money to buy their items.

leox wrote: 2 months ago

Randall67 wrote: 2 months ago

How do people get 3/20/20 or 10/76/45 charms? I see people on traderie with like 10+. Like how is that even possible? How are people getting that many

Jah to trade?

Some player doesnt like play farming...
Is is very easy to get it with USD, especially in asia local service. Asia market sell

Jah really cheap compare to US. Likely 3x difference.
I can see those in my local market , 0.7 USD per

Jah. And I see half price in mainland but I am not familiar with that area trade.

It is something like 300

Jah 50~90 usd . Big volume purchase...

(while usa, it is 1.5 usd per

Jah , I dont look very detailly , only peek.)

It is very cheap thing compare to modern mobile game, I assume that in mobile game play style, 5 usd in D2 able to makes you buy everything that have high price/ value, play like you are fully equip up. And mobile game, you literally didnt get anything in 5 USD.

This makes people want to pay small to enjoy play in d2r .


And it is not just bots, true reason is that

Jah has no where to spend in late stage of game, it only going to increase and you cant use it efficiently.
The

Jah value going down day by day.

that's not even all
you are focusing mainly on

Jah prices, which are very high
if you buy jahs or any other runes on ladder, once the season ends they become non ladder.
also, there are way cheaper runes than

Jah, which add up to

Jah value for half the price.
chams, zods,

Lo and

Sur, with 2 or 3 each you easily buy a

Jah, for cheaper than what you pay for a

Jah. on g2g.com for example

Jah is at £0.46 and

Cham is at 0.092
with 3 chams I easily buy a

Jah, for a bit more than half price of a

Jah.

Buying runes seems ridiculous as well as items as the whole game (and ARPGs lootfests in general) is centred around finding the items. Personally I think trading is the best part.

That said I could see buying items for PvP in particular, as finding Jmods and optimal rolls can be a pain.

Morgormir wrote: 2 months ago

Buying runes seems ridiculous as well as items as the whole game (and ARPGs lootfests in general) is centred around finding the items. Personally I think trading is the best part.

That said I could see buying items for PvP in particular, as finding Jmods and optimal rolls can be a pain.

trading what??
people are lazy, they don't want to farm, don't want to grind
a lot of new starters expect end game items, torches and stuff for free, because they see all the give-aways, which those give-aways are well intended, they kill the

Hunger and it makes people think they are entitled.
people won't farm some keys or essences for some ists anymore, they just rely on luck and gifts. IN GENERAL.
back in the day you had to farm 30-35 yellow essences for a

Jah, 15-20 tokens
now its less than half the value, and they still won't do it

I meant trading to build Wealth. It's really easy to have multiple enigmas of Wealth built in a single ladder season if you play 1-2 hours a day, which doesn't seem like a huge ask to be honest. That compounds over several ladders.

The hard thing is actually knowing what's worth money.

Morgormir wrote: 2 months ago

I meant trading to build Wealth. It's really easy to have multiple enigmas of Wealth built in a single ladder season if you play 1-2 hours a day, which doesn't seem like a huge ask to be honest. That compounds over several ladders.

The hard thing is actually knowing what's worth money.

I agree
it's the same for ladder and non ladder
problem is the same, people don't grind anymore, don't farm, dont experiment.
many players expect help and items for free, which to a degree is fine, but many become entitled.
I was selling some pala amazon and sorc torches, and a guy offered me a random

Key for a low sorc torch.
I asked kindly if they could farm 2 more, 3 keys for a sorc torch is more than a decent price in my opinion.
I got a response saying it is too expensive

Pitach wrote: 2 months ago

Morgormir wrote: 2 months ago

I meant trading to build Wealth. It's really easy to have multiple enigmas of Wealth built in a single ladder season if you play 1-2 hours a day, which doesn't seem like a huge ask to be honest. That compounds over several ladders.

The hard thing is actually knowing what's worth money.

I agree
it's the same for ladder and non ladder
problem is the same, people don't grind anymore, don't farm, dont experiment.
many players expect help and items for free, which to a degree is fine, but many become entitled.
I was selling some pala amazon and sorc torches, and a guy offered me a random

Key for a low sorc torch.
I asked kindly if they could farm 2 more, 3 keys for a sorc torch is more than a decent price in my opinion.
I got a response saying it is too expensive

low lv market is difficult. torch might end up like

Caster Amulet.
sorc torch will maintain some value for time being. Some might build 4 sorc , the needs is huge.
unlike nec , druid torch....nightmare.

Sorc torch, just make price there, when someone start new sorc, it will be sell out. Dont need to worry too much unless you stack more than 10.


build a new sorc that you dont need wash this wash that . even if it gear up not so perfect equipment, as long as performance same, it is ok.

I mean to be fair though, it is a 25 year old game. ARPGs are already a niche and hard to get into as is, I can understand newer players not wanting to grind as it's something they're not really used to.

One thing that I would have liked to see at some point is the lower level uniques get a drop rate buff. I keep lower level uniques (Occy/

Peasant Crown/Sazabi/random belts and

Boots) to drop for people when rushing, as trying to gear a new character is a pain.

2 more ways: Flipping and scamming.

Flipping: You buy cheap, you sell expensive. I know a guy who buys unid torches, IDs them and sells them. If you sell all at good prices, you make a profit. You need good market understanding and you usually focus on one thing.
In his case, he was using forum

Gold for the initial purchases to get his "engine" running and when the ladder was 3/4 over, he sold everything for forum

Gold. He does this every ladder and is "rich" now.

Scamming: You try to rip off other people. If it works you can get some valuable items per scam.

I don't get why people do any of this. Doesn't make sense to me.

vued wrote: 2 months ago

2 more ways: Flipping and scamming.

Flipping: You buy cheap, you sell expensive. I know a guy who buys unid torches, IDs them and sells them. If you sell all at good prices, you make a profit. You need good market understanding and you usually focus on one thing.
In his case, he was using forum

Gold for the initial purchases to get his "engine" running and when the ladder was 3/4 over, he sold everything for forum

Gold. He does this every ladder and is "rich" now.

Scamming: You try to rip off other people. If it works you can get some valuable items per scam.

I don't get why people do any of this. Doesn't make sense to me.

Flipping unid things with terrible luck only makes you pay the price with no gains. Thats why personally have not gone after that.