Frenzy barbarian, breakpoints and IAS main and offhand confusion

So iv read online, tried Ai and tried warren and other calculators and i seem to

Confuse myself more and more.

On a

Frenzy barb i first read that only the main hand IAS would affect breakpoint speed. So having a high speed with added IAS on main and a slow hard hitter on offhand was smart.
Then i suddenly found that each weapon would have their own IAS in terms of attacking? Or is the IAS even from weapons and gear all pooled or do they just affect that one weapon???


So how does it actually work, and is there any reliable calculators, and if so what should in actually put in them!!!

Try the Attack speed calculator of this site
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0
(and short answer: secondary weapon base speed and ias make difference )

fredkid wrote: 4 months ago

Try the Attack speed calculator of this site
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0
(and short answer: secondary weapon base speed and ias make difference )

Seems like a good one, but i get odd results.
Lets say i ad 2 weapons and it gives me 6,5. Then i can press the "left button slot" to change to see the other weapon as main and in this case i then get 5,5. ok better option.
But then if i physically change the 2 swords around in the calculator , which in theory should be the same as pressing the left/right button, then this will then give me 5,5 and 5,0 instead og 6,5 and 5,5.
Same weapons, same setup but different outcome of same thing. Kinda weird.

Have you changed the table to

Frenzy ?
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0

Phase Blade 20 ias +

Ancient Sword 0 ias
- primary
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0

WIAS FPA
0 17
15 16
43 15
89 14

- secondary
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0

WIAS FPA
0 19

Ancient Sword 0 ias +

Phase Blade 20 ias
- primary
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0

WIAS FPA
2 19
4 18
15 17
35 16
63 15
109 14

- secondary:
attackspeed.php?char=Barbarian&data=2-0 ... -0-0-0-0-0

WIAS FPA
0 17

strange to me too...
I'm not a dual swing player/nerd...

Maybe someone can help...

maraxion wrote: 4 months ago

Seems like a good one, but i get odd results.
Lets say i ad 2 weapons and it gives me 6,5. Then i can press the "left button slot" to change to see the other weapon as main and in this case i then get 5,5. ok better option.
But then if i physically change the 2 swords around in the calculator , which in theory should be the same as pressing the left/right button, then this will then give me 5,5 and 5,0 instead og 6,5 and 5,5.
Same weapons, same setup but different outcome of same thing. Kinda weird.

You have to use the

Frenzy table. Primary weapon IAS makes no sense.

Tornado_OLO wrote: 4 months ago

You have to use the

Frenzy table. Primary weapon IAS makes no sense.

Ok that helps, but then i needed so much more IAS!!! The main hand one gave me 5,0, on the

Frenzy table i need 28 mroe IAS to get there
In the end you start wondering whats right and what to trust.

Basically if youre not using dual phase blades (w/ primary hand Grief), Highlords Wrath, and either

Laying of Hands or blood crafted gloves with 20 IAS youre doing it wrong for a

Frenzy Barb build.

If youre still leveling dual Black flails is a great option. Cats Eye is great option if you dont have Highlord's.

Barbarians kinda get screwed on IAS compared to other classes. While a paladin with max

Fanaticism and any

Phase Blade base only needs 8% IAS to hit max possible breakpoints, (which means if youre using Grief you've already overkilled that 3-4x) barbarian needs something like level 25

Frenzy and 40 or more IAS to hit their fastest breakpoints (roughly, this is just off top of my head).

Highlord's Wrath

Blood Gloves

The Cat's Eye

Grief+Lawbringer PBs probably one of the best combos for the cost. Shreds

Chaos Sanctuary and WSK and any other area where mobs of undead can be a problem.

Grief+Last Wish if youre filthy rich is good too but even then the former is often better in many situations, for a fraction of the cost.

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

Basically if youre not using dual phase blades

I complete disagree. I'm doing it with Grief & Death combo with dual

Berserker Axe with 40 more ias and it rox hard.
Basicaly hiting 11 fpa.

You can also do it with Beast.

I also use berserker axes and swap between ww and

Frenzy regularly. The repair costs get annoying sometimes, but the axes look awesome. Also doing ebotd and Death works great. Its fun seeing the

Poison Nova go off constantly

Breath of the Dying

The main fighting gear on my

Frenzy barb (offline) is a BotD ethereal zerk and a Last Wish zerk, and on switch another BotD ethereal zerk with a Lawbringer PB. I managed to take care of the

Tristram ubers offline at /players 5 the other day. Once I killed

Uber Mephisto on /players 7 (again forgot to set back to 1 before venturing into the town), but I ought to admit

Uber Baal looked un-killable.

Tornado_OLO wrote: 4 months ago

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

Basically if youre not using dual phase blades

I complete disagree. I'm doing it with Grief & Death combo with dual

Berserker Axe with 40 more ias and it rox hard.
Basicaly hiting 11 fpa.

You can also do it with Beast.

repair cost gets annoying and the difference in IAS/

Frenzy skill level required to hit a given breakpoint is substantial. But to each their own I suppose.

I ran Ubers a few times with Grief+Beast berserker axes and it got the job done but I'd sooner do it with Grief + Kingslayer/Last Wish PBs any day of the week.

With dual PBs you can hit 10fpa for a lot less IAS than it would take Berserker Axes to hit 11fpa. You could argue that its not that big of a deal to find that extra IAS somewhere on your gear, but personally I'm happy to be able to focus on other factors such as resists, etc and not have to worry about it as much. Or have the overcapped IAS in some scenarios and be able to laugh at

Holy Freeze/Decrep.

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

repair cost gets annoying and the difference in IAS/

Frenzy skill level required to hit a given breakpoint is substantial. But to each their own I suppose.

Repair isn't a problem for me but part of that game.
Don't you max

Frenzy in a

Frenzy build ?

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

I ran Ubers a few times with Grief+Beast berserker axes and it got the job done but I'd sooner do it with Grief + Kingslayer/Last Wish PBs any day of the week.

Try Death which is boss killer with it's 50% crushing blow and almost 50% deadly strike.

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

With dual PBs you can hit 10fpa for a lot less IAS than it would take Berserker Axes to hit 11fpa.

Fpa difference can be offset by damage output.

I don't say dual Grief isn't good but other stuff excels too and may be better in some situations.

About repair, you can use

Recipe: Fully repaired weapon, you just have to resist the impulse to click on the repair button each time you go to a blacksmith...
(or keep you personal

Gold low, so if you click by mistake you will not repair the expensive items )

I use the

Recipe: Fully Repaired Armor for my Superior armors, and in practice I always end up finding some

Ral to keep for the recipe before I need to repair

Tornado_OLO wrote: 4 months ago

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

repair cost gets annoying and the difference in IAS/

Frenzy skill level required to hit a given breakpoint is substantial. But to each their own I suppose.

Repair isn't a problem for me but part of that game.
Don't you max

Frenzy in a

Frenzy build ?

100% I do, because often times you have to in order to hit 10fpa. Unless you have Highlords + LoH + 15 IAS jewel. But if I can hit a given breakpoint and focus more on resists or other stuff besides IAS (I.e. Dracul's instead of LoH, or

Um'd Gface instead of IAS'd) then that's an improvement.

I don't use dual Grief very often. Grief+Lawbringer shreds CS and WSK better than dual Grief in my experience.

Grief+Kingslayer also seems to work better for boss killing than dual Grief.

Prefer Kingslayer over Death for boss killing because of the higher Open Wounds % and IAS (especially before I had

Gore Rider on my offline SP

Frenzy Barb). I used Grief+Kingslayer PBs on Ubers probably more times than any other weapon combo and it worked great.

EDIT: with Beast berserker Axes I keep forgetting to factor in lvl9

Fanaticism. So with that in mind, you can hit 10fpa pretty easily.

Otherwise, however, it takes a lot of IAS to hit even 11fpa.

Regardless, maybe saying "doing it wrong" is abit extreme. Dual PBs just makes it easier to hit those breakpoints most of the time.

BigD wrote: 4 months ago

Otherwise, however, it takes a lot of IAS to hit even 11fpa.

40 IAS isn't "a lot of IAS".
Reaching 10 fpa doesn't garanty you to have the highest DPS.
Why focusing on this ?