Magic Coronet 3PnB, 30frw

Does this have any use for poison- or bonemancer in PvP?

Magic

Coronet
3 PnB
30 frw

Larzuk will give this 1 or 2 sockets, right?
Are the odds for those 1/6-5/6 or 50-50?

From: larzuksockets.php \ "How the

Larzuk socket calculation works"

For Magic items, there is always a 50%/50% chance of receiving either 1 or 2 sockets from

Larzuk.

Ohm-

Lo with no sockets.
10

Jah with 2 sockets.

With 30 frw on a necro ? Would have guessed it has value with 20 fcr, never thought so much for 30 frw

Since you can still hit 125fcr with no FCR on your

Helm, this is for those B&P necro's who don't want to use Enigma (e.g. Bramble). The extra run/walk really helps.

Should be hard to reach 125fcr since

Death's Web doesn't have fcr (20 gloves + 35 shield + 20

Belt + 20 rings + 20 amulet = 115fcr)

mockingbirdreal wrote: 8 months ago

Should be hard to reach 125fcr since

Death's Web doesn't have fcr (20 gloves + 35 shield + 20

Belt + 20 rings + 20 amulet = 115fcr)

I was thinking with using White (20FCR) instead of

Death's Web. Gives you 125FCR and gives you 10fcr wiggle room for the amulet or ring.

But then again, I don't always know why something is valuable

On all necros, getting to the 125 FCR is a compromise over something.

If you use Spirit, it's quite easy but you have to leave other options like Trang Wing for poison or

Homunculus for a great all around shield + need lots of strength to wear ; if you use FCR rings you drop + skills from SoJ ; if you use 2/20 amu you'd better be very rich...

The only pretty constant items are the Trang Gloves and the

Arachnid Mesh, and even on the latter that can be discussed with Trang

Belt for the 3 pieces for poison.

To sum up, getting rid of the quite easy to obtain +20 on head usually impacts something else, so it'd better be worth it. Just for more frw, not sure if it is.

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

Ohm-

Lo with no sockets.
10

Jah with 2 sockets.

Seams weird to me that 0os should be so much less value since you have 50% chance to get 2 os. Would 0os then not be at least half the price of 2os?

I will likely

Larzuk it myself and either self use (with 1os) or sell afterwards (with 2os).

Necrarch wrote: 8 months ago

On all necros, getting to the 125 FCR is a compromise over something.

If you use Spirit, it's quite easy but you have to leave other options like Trang Wing for poison or

Homunculus for a great all around shield + need lots of strength to wear ; if you use FCR rings you drop + skills from SoJ ; if you use 2/20 amu you'd better be very rich...

The only pretty constant items are the Trang Gloves and the

Arachnid Mesh, and even on the latter that can be discussed with Trang

Belt for the 3 pieces for poison.

To sum up, getting rid of the quite easy to obtain +20 on head usually impacts something else, so it'd better be worth it. Just for more frw, not sure if it is.

After finding this I thought about builds to use it with. I kind of concluded that 125 fcr is not worth it for many necro builds. Getting this one additional

Cap boost your dps by just 11% at the cost of 50 additional fcr.

Compare this with the damage boost you could get from Death web or everything you get from

Homunculus.

With 30 frw on the

Circlet, you can aim for running instead of teleporting, which frees up your armor slot for Bramble (ok another huge damage boost).

Frw boost your clear speed in pvm more than 20 for does.

Combined with

Boneflame, a 30 frw

Circlet is also interesting for pvp.

Other than 125 fcr, 75 fcr is easy to obtain.

Frw can therefore - in some (!) necro builds - be more valuable than 20 fcr.

Not playing Enigma in PvP is kind of suicidal unless it's forbidden for any reason.

125 fcr helps you teleporting very fast which is very useful and can make deference in PvP for spamming spells, getting away asap with tele (you don't want a melee char to come close enough to hit you).

If you use 75 fcr in PvP that's mainly to be more tanky with DR, res and block chances, not to run faster.

So imo, frw is useless because you have to use Enigma.

vued wrote: 8 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

Ohm-

Lo with no sockets.
10

Jah with 2 sockets.

Seams weird to me that 0os should be so much less value since you have 50% chance to get 2 os. Would 0os then not be at least half the price of 2os?

I will likely

Larzuk it myself and either self use (with 1os) or sell afterwards (with 2os).

The 2os version is what people want, not the 1os roll. 1os is NOT worth 5Jah for instance. If they buy without 2os they are buying to gamble and roll lazurk themselves. If they end up rolling 1os, they will be buying another one to try again.

The price values I gave for this

Helm are based on a combination of recent trades of this exact same item and what is being listed right now.

Edit: granted this is not a commonly sold item, and trade history is very limited.

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

vued wrote: 8 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

Ohm-

Lo with no sockets.
10

Jah with 2 sockets.

Seams weird to me that 0os should be so much less value since you have 50% chance to get 2 os. Would 0os then not be at least half the price of 2os?

I will likely

Larzuk it myself and either self use (with 1os) or sell afterwards (with 2os).

The 2os version is what people want, not the 1os roll. 1os is NOT worth 5Jah for instance. If they buy without 2os they are buying to gamble and roll lazurk themselves. If they end up rolling 1os, they will be buying another one to try again.

Yes, exactly. 1os is basically worthless, 0os is a 50% chance of getting 2os. So why should 0os be only

Lo if 2os is 10

Jah.

vued wrote: 8 months ago

Yes, exactly. 1os is basically worthless, 0os is a 50% chance of getting 2os. So why should 0os be only

Lo if 2os is 10

Jah.

An item is worth what people will pay. People will pay approx 10

Jah for a 2os verison of this

Helm. I personally would not. But other's have, and have done so recently (last few months).

There is also the aspect of convenience. People will pay to avoid hassle. If you roll 3 of these as 1os in a row. That's 3 times you've had to find someone with this for sale, 3 times you'd had to link up, and 3 lazurk instances you've burned. Lets say you didn't have any lazurk available. That's 3 rushes or 3 lazurk purchases. Another 3 trustworthy traders you've had to find, and link up with for them to lazurk for you.

Same reason why 4-5

Hel is worth an

Ist but you can sell 25

Hel for a

Jah. That math doesn't correlate unless you include the price of convenience.

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

vued wrote: 8 months ago

Yes, exactly. 1os is basically worthless, 0os is a 50% chance of getting 2os. So why should 0os be only

Lo if 2os is 10

Jah.

An item is worth what people will pay. People will pay approx 10

Jah for a 2os verison of this

Helm. I personally would not. But other's have, and have done so recently (last few months).

There is also the aspect of convenience. People will pay to avoid hassle. If you roll 3 of these as 1os in a row. That's 3 times you've had to find someone with this for sale, 3 times you'd had to link up, and 3 lazurk instances you've burned. Lets say you didn't have any lazurk available. That's 3 rushes or 3 lazurk purchases. Another 3 trustworthy traders you've had to find, and link up with for them to lazurk for you.

Same reason why 4-5

Hel is worth an

Ist but you can sell 25

Hel for a

Jah. That math doesn't correlate unless you include the price of convenience.

Hmmm. OK. I understand that someone pays an

Ist or 2 for convenience. I did not expect people basically paying 9

Jah for convenience. But there are these and there are those.

Looks like a great opportunity to earn yourself a small fortune.

If 10

Jah just seems too high, I'll buy it from you for 2

Jah

What are your sources to be sure it worth 10

Jah ?
Regarding trade history on another website (and some are old), this is more likely to be close to ~3

Jah.

Someone is selling a

Circlet with same stats for 5

Jah atm but still available ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There is one

Coronet for sale right now on traderie with these stats and 2os asking 10jah. The 3 most recent sales, with 2os, have been 2x for 10jah each and 1 for 5

Jah. I like to err on the high side of a valuation. Start high then let people talk you down a bit. Basic haggling .
The amount of feathers that get ruffled over a free price check, on a free site, from people who routinely demand for valuations is a bit mind boggling. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
But it's fine. I've been thinking about stopping giving price checks after a few previous interactions. I'll back away from giving price checks.
Good luck folks

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

But it's fine, I'll back away from giving price checks.
Good luck folks