Fortitude + Grief + Berserk

Sorry Not sure if this has been asked before, but how exactly do these Items interact with each other, does Fortitude's %ED apply to the +340-400 damage on Grief, and does that in turn increase Berserk damage?

A quick or detailed explanation would be amazing

Cheers!

[I'm running a Trav Zerker for Runes and wanted the fastest kill time on the mobs and was thinking of making a fortitude to slap on him but wanna know if it works with grief and berserk before I waste a Lo on it, lol]

Short answer:
Yes it does

Longer answer:
"Converts 100% physical weapon damage to magic damage. Conversion occurs after +% Damage and a critical hit from a weapon Mastery, Critical Strike or Deadly Strike are applied and before resistance is applied: Damage Resist won't affect converted magic damage but Magic Resist will."

See also https://d2.lc/AB/wiki/indexd918.html



Basically, you pretend you're doing a normal physical swing and then do the full math for that minus accounting for any phys resist the target may have, convert that result into magic damage for Berserk and then apply the magic resist your target may have to that.
Fort + Grief = win.

Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago

Short answer:
Yes it does

Longer answer:
"Converts 100% physical weapon damage to magic damage. Conversion occurs after +% Damage and a critical hit from a weapon Mastery, Critical Strike or Deadly Strike are applied and before resistance is applied: Damage Resist won't affect converted magic damage but Magic Resist will."

See also https://d2.lc/AB/wiki/indexd918.html



Basically, you pretend you're doing a normal physical swing and then do the full math for that minus accounting for any phys resist the target may have, convert that result into magic damage for Berserk and then apply the magic resist your target may have to that.
Fort + Grief = win.

Cheers, thanks a ton for that mega fast reply! Yeah I really don't care too much about farming Trav for Uniques, I'm more interested in the Rune chances

Just out of curiosity, have you tried it with Grief but without fort?

If you're online/farming on P1, fort on a zerker is really quite overkill for trav specifically. I keep mine at Grief + Enigma + full MF/GF gear and he still just steamrolls all of them in 1-2 hits. So not much lost for not using fort.

That is of course a different story if you go beyond trav and/or go with higher player counts.

Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago

Just out of curiosity, have you tried it with Grief but without fort?

If you're online/farming on P1, fort on a zerker is really quite overkill for trav specifically. I keep mine at Grief + Enigma + full MF/GF gear and he still just steamrolls all of them in 1-2 hits. So not much lost for not using fort.

That is of course a different story if you go beyond trav and/or go with higher player counts.

Yeah I don't quite have Enigma lol, closest I am is 1 Sur in LOL, But I'm running Laying of Hands + 400 Damage, 39%AS Grief, Ist ( Shako), 1 Dwarf Star with 1 SOJ and for Now TGods with War Travelers, also Using a Rhyme for now since I have no where near a Cham, lol

Replace WT with Infernostride.
Replace SOJ with an AR + max damage or min damage magic ring.
TGod's is good.
Replace Rhyme with Stormshield.
Put on Duriel's Shell until you get CoH + Arreat's Face with Cham. Enigma is an option, but in my experience it doesn't offer a lot of extra speed compared to one point in Leap. The absurd overres with CoH is a permanent just in case counter to Conviction.
Fill inventory with max damage + AR charms.

Well, the point wasn't "get Enigma", the idea was "see if you even need more dmg". Because if you don't, then going for MF/GF (or eventually Enigma) over fort isn't a bad idea.

To preface, I have done thousands upon thousands of trav runs with two Horker barbs. I would avoid using anything that applies cold damage. In Fortitude case, percent to cast Chilling Armor. 20% of frozen enemies shatter at their Death and are unable to be horked. So also no Raven Frost or cold damage charms. No Fortitude on merc.

I second Zebot's statement. Fort has potential for cold dmg, which will lower chances of horking/rune finding. And like Schnorki said, P1 is easy enough where you don't need the extra dmg from Fort.

Would be much better using something cheap like Skullder's in the meantime while saving up for Enigma, IMO. Nothing beats Enigma for Trav barb, that I'm aware of!

Fort and CoH aren't necessary for Trav kill speed. Duriel's Shell is great because you can put something other than Cham in your Arreat's Face. LoH lets you to 2-shot the entire council and Moser's with PDiamonds takes care of your resistances (because you ain't blocking anyway).

My setup for trav barb is Grief + Stormshield + coh, LoH glove, trang Belt, gore Boots. No ravenfrost rings, ofc - bk + carrion or 2x bk are just fine. Highlord as well.
Merc is Insight + coh as well (no fort!) + Ral'd andy. Can give him an infi, but prefer mana for my ww. 1pt zerk as an add gainst any immune is a must as well - but no need to raise it even.
All good n smooth - except for drops. Hundreds n hundreds of runs, full hork at 76% chance - not a single damn Ist or a Mal even. Ever in my life. Seems all trav runes rng reserves for somebody else.

You don't need Enigma or Fortitude. I have both and use neither for trav barb.

Instead, try a MF+GF+fire res build, you absolutely won't regret it.
412% MF and 1090% GF, cheap as hell, and I easily get 11M Gold an hour to gamble rings and coronets for fun and profit.
I can't be the only one who does this, yet I don't see it explicitly recommended, so here:

Grief
Blade Of Ali Baba w/ 2 Ist
Wealth (any 3os base)
Dwarf Star x2
Infernostride
Trang-Oul's Girth
Harlequin Crest w/ ptopaz (or Cham w/ Goldwrap)
Highlord's Wrath
Laying of Hands
4x 40% Gold find grand charms
7x MF% small charms

Use Naj's Puzzler switch to go fast; 69 charges and you only use 4-5 per run. Leap Attack works totally fine too.
Prioritize Aura enchanted mobs, drink a super health during the fight, and you'll rarely need to rejuv or be in any danger.
For merc I recommend Kira's Guardian + Guardian Angel for great survivability, because Grief does most of the work and the time it takes to Revive him is like 1/3 of a trav run in itself.
As for wep, Eth Bonehew socketed w/ Shael Amn is cheap and works great. Reaper's Toll just isn't worth it due to cold damage shattering corpses. You'll kill quick enough regardless.

Moriarty wrote: 3 years ago

Instead, try a MF+GF+fire res build, you absolutely won't regret it.
412% MF and 1090% GF, cheap as hell, and I easily get 11M Gold an hour to gamble rings and coronets for fun and profit.
I can't be the only one who does this, yet I don't see it explicitly recommended, so here:

MF on council is pointless because their unique drop rates are abysmal, and you're not farming them for uniques anyway.
GF is a hassle that takes A TON of time and returns next to nothing compared to farming without GF. It may be fun at first, but becomes merely tedious later.

Im running Hustle armor just for that extra speed in town.

Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago

Just out of curiosity, have you tried it with Grief but without fort?

If you're online/farming on P1, fort on a zerker is really quite overkill for trav specifically. I keep mine at Grief + Enigma + full MF/GF gear and he still just steamrolls all of them in 1-2 hits. So not much lost for not using fort.

That is of course a different story if you go beyond trav and/or go with higher player counts.

What are your + skills? Or your Berserk % damage? Trying a mf barb and I feel like I'm in constant danger. I do need to redpec bc I blindly followed a build I saw online and I think they made a mistake not maxing Battle Orders

bagolyg11 wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago

Just out of curiosity, have you tried it with Grief but without fort?

If you're online/farming on P1, fort on a zerker is really quite overkill for trav specifically. I keep mine at Grief + Enigma + full MF/GF gear and he still just steamrolls all of them in 1-2 hits. So not much lost for not using fort.

That is of course a different story if you go beyond trav and/or go with higher player counts.

What are your + skills? Or your Berserk % damage? Trying a mf barb and I feel like I'm in constant danger. I do need to redpec bc I blindly followed a build I saw online and I think they made a mistake not maxing Battle Orders

Not to take the question away from Schnorki, but I just put together a couple MF/GF Trav Barb vids recently, and think they could be useful for ya.

P1:



(A5 merc using Grief + Last Wish + GFace + Chains of Honor)

And P3 with higher MF, less GF:

bagolyg11 wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 3 years ago

Just out of curiosity, have you tried it with Grief but without fort?

If you're online/farming on P1, fort on a zerker is really quite overkill for trav specifically. I keep mine at Grief + Enigma + full MF/GF gear and he still just steamrolls all of them in 1-2 hits. So not much lost for not using fort.

That is of course a different story if you go beyond trav and/or go with higher player counts.

What are your + skills? Or your Berserk % damage? Trying a mf barb and I feel like I'm in constant danger. I do need to redpec bc I blindly followed a build I saw online and I think they made a mistake not maxing Battle Orders

Respecced away from farming builds by now but I believe it was +8 to skills, give or take a couple. At the core, it was Grief, Enigma and then focused on a roughly even mix between MF and GF beyond that (with a slight tendency towards GF).

Maxing BO should be a no-brainer for a zerker barb. Not only because BO in general is one of the best things a barb has but even more so because for a zerker, BO is actually a synergy. Beyond that, mine had max res and max block to match and with that was never in any danger from anything in trav (or most other places).
Trav specifically is made even less dangerous by a focus on GF gear as that'll give you double Dwarf Star which happens to also inherently overcome a fair chunk of Hydra damage.

Zero187 wrote: 2 years ago

Not to take the question away from Schnorki, but...

Nothing wrong with more than one answer.

What about Grief + Phoenix?

Szambodiver wrote: 2 years ago

What about Grief + Phoenix?

I think it's not possible to hork the corpses after the souls have been redeemed.