Physical Bowazon - which belt?

I just did

Baal and Chaos run on p1. No problem at all, easy - havent drink single potion.o

The only problem with Mist I found was when merc was far away so I didnt get aura.

Magic Arrow totally melted Diablo and all physical immunes.

And dmg with Faith seems a bit lower because I dont have enough IAS for Faith.

Dunno if I should have cta or Harmony on off hand.

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

I still havent allocated 8skill points (+ I am lvl 83) - Do I need higher AR? Or valk? I am thinking to go without valk, because i took 1000hp. And if it will sux then at around 90 I will swap to valk + less hp.

Critical Strike gives me only 1% per lvl (58->59) so probably not.

So what do u think?

And I also have one more question regarding Dclone (I havent tried him with this respec build with 95IAS). But he is healing a lot and I do slightly more dmg than he heals. Would it be worthy to use

Nature's Peace - does prevent monster heal even works on Dclone?

1

Inner Sight
1

Slow Missiles
1

Decoy
Rest in

Valkyrie

Don't skip

Valkyrie. You need a tank. You're not a javazon. Also, get familiar with using

Decoy in conjunction with

Valkyrie. It is far too underrated. Read what the

Arreat Summit says about it.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/sk ... sive.shtml

As for DClone, you're using

Gore Rider now. He shouldn't be healing anymore after an open wound proc.

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 years ago

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

I still havent allocated 8skill points (+ I am lvl 83) - Do I need higher AR? Or valk? I am thinking to go without valk, because i took 1000hp. And if it will sux then at around 90 I will swap to valk + less hp.

Critical Strike gives me only 1% per lvl (58->59) so probably not.

So what do u think?

And I also have one more question regarding Dclone (I havent tried him with this respec build with 95IAS). But he is healing a lot and I do slightly more dmg than he heals. Would it be worthy to use

Nature's Peace - does prevent monster heal even works on Dclone?

1

Inner Sight
1

Slow Missiles
1

Decoy
Rest in

Valkyrie

Don't skip

Valkyrie. You need a tank. You're not a javazon. Also, get familiar with using

Decoy in conjunction with

Valkyrie. It is far too underrated. Read what Stormlash wrote about it.

skills/decoy-t4039.html

As for DClone, you're using

Gore Rider now. He shouldn't be healing anymore after an open wound proc.

I just finished Dclone, now. And my baby bowa brought home 20/20/9 - most dmg I was doing was with

Guided Arrow. AR vs Dclone says 70% hit chance for both

Strafe and

Magic Arrow.

Bowazon always has been my 1st character. So I still remember casting

Decoy on every corner in Worldstone Keep and just to wait if something shows up. Yeah I will go Valk. After all she can solo entire game

Congrats, amazing anni roll!

I haven't done DClone with a bowazon since LoD, but I remember it was a lot of blind hit-and-run, so

Guided Arrow is definitely the way to go. I think

Gore Rider made all the difference for you here with crushing blow and open wounds.

Beats the 13/14 I got by a mile.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

Beats the 13/14 I got by a mile.

If I play with some random cool guy I am giving away those low roll annies. They blocking my stash space + giving them away is great source to make new friends

You helped me more than you can imagine. Because I had no clue how bowa works. I even thought after running with mavina set that

Strafe is just bad.

anyway mhlg add me on bnet Pizzaman#2382,
There will be some token of gratitude for you to cover your respec costs

Maybe a stupid question but is there a reason why your skills show 0 point in

Pierce ? At least 1 should help, right ? I am far from being a Zon expert though, but it did surprise me (on my personal Maxroll build with the +skills that single point lead to 80%-ish chance to

Pierce, which seems nice).

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

Beats the 13/14 I got by a mile.

If I play with some random cool guy I am giving away those low roll annies. They blocking my stash space + giving them away is great source to make new friends

You helped me more than you can imagine. Because I had no clue how bowa works. I even thought after running with mavina set that

Strafe is just bad.

anyway mhlg add me on bnet Pizzaman#2382,
There will be some token of gratitude for you to cover your respec costs

I was glad to help and I'm not expecting anything in return. We all need a little advice sometimes because it helps us to move forward. I should be making my Mist sometime today and then I will have achieved my goal. I know there are those who don't care for it, but it's the only reason I came into ladder a little more than 23 days ago. I added you but not for any free stuff.

Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago

Maybe a stupid question but is there a reason why your skills show 0 point in

Pierce ? At least 1 should help, right ? I am far from being a Zon expert though, but it did surprise me (on my personal Maxroll build with the +skills that single point lead to 80%-ish chance to

Pierce, which seems nice).

It's for a build focused around Mist which has 100%

Pierce. Otherwise, it's typical to put one hard point in

Pierce and use

Razortail for the additional 33%

Pierce to get you over 100%.

Otherwise, I would target over 80%. I think I went for 85% in a previous spec back when I thought I had extra skill points to spare and before getting

Razortail.

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 years ago

Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago

Maybe a stupid question but is there a reason why your skills show 0 point in

Pierce ? At least 1 should help, right ? I am far from being a Zon expert though, but it did surprise me (on my personal Maxroll build with the +skills that single point lead to 80%-ish chance to

Pierce, which seems nice).

It's for a build focused around Mist which has 100%

Pierce. Otherwise, it's typical to put one hard point in

Pierce and use

Razortail for the additional 33%

Pierce to get you over 100%.

If you don't use

Razortail, then personally, I would target over 80%. I think I went for 85% in a previous spec back when I thought I had extra skill points to spare and before getting

Razortail.

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago

Maybe a stupid question but is there a reason why your skills show 0 point in

Pierce ? At least 1 should help, right ? I am far from being a Zon expert though, but it did surprise me (on my personal Maxroll build with the +skills that single point lead to 80%-ish chance to

Pierce, which seems nice).

little bit late to party, but yeah I am using Mist. Not to put skill point into

Pierce is Mist's advantage, sadly its a small advantage - all you need to get 100%

Pierce (with any other bow than Mist) with

Razortail (33%) is lvl 9 and even with lvl 8 (imho even lvl 7 is ok) I consider 98%

Pierce chance as 100% - because thats just 10arrows from entire quiver - 500pcs. Which makes no difference.

this issue is actually reason why I cant use Faith vs mobs, because I have no

Pierce. + Faith RW doesnt have 20IAS, so even I do higher dmg with Faith than with Mist with my current "Mist setup" I am stuck with weapon doing less dmg - which is imho big advantage for Mist -> I dont have to use 3os

Helm with 3x 15% IAS. I am using

Andariel visage so I use all its perk (it would be epic if andy instead of Venom has

Enchant which boost AR).
So my merc gear is way more expensive than mine

but if u wanna go best bowa, get Faith for yourself and Pride for act2 merc with might aura. I havent tested this setup - Faith on merc and

Windforce on you vs Faith on you and Pride on act2 merc. But to have 3auras at actually high level has to be more than just

Windforce with

Fanaticism - also as someone pointed above

Fanaticism from Faith has very little range. So with 95IAS with

Fanaticism on you. You will do 3,57attacks per second, but when ur merc will be away or dead you would do 2,77attacks per second. So wearing Faith by yourself will totally deny this +

Fanaticism has better % to guy who wields it.

Me and @mhlg did some Chaos run:
I was wearing Faith, merc Pride + might I was wearing

Hydra, MHLG's merc had Pride + might + my merc has Faith I was weaing

Hydra, merc had Pride + might I was wearing Mist, my merc had Faith (my current setup)

Here is the Mist.

If you want to get the 7-frame attack with the Faith GMB build, you have to give up on 100%

Pierce.

Nosferatu's Coil becomes a requirement (because nobody's going to swap Fortitude for

Twitchthroe).

If you do that, you can still get

Pierce up to 80% or higher but there will be sacrifices elsewhere. The main candidates for skills to not max out then become

Valkyrie and

Magic Arrow.

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 years ago

If you want to get the 7-frame attack with the Faith GMB build, you have to give up on 100%

Pierce.

Nosferatu's Coil becomes a requirement (because nobody's going to swap Fortitude for

Twitchthroe).

If you do that, you can still get

Pierce up to 80% or higher but there will be sacrifices elsewhere. The main candidates for skills to not max out then become

Valkyrie and

Magic Arrow.

this is the way

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 years ago

If you want to get the 7-frame attack with the Faith GMB build, you have to give up on 100%

Pierce.

Nosferatu's Coil becomes a requirement (because nobody's going to swap Fortitude for

Twitchthroe).

thats true, but

Strafe dmg is insane and it has own frames - 18. So you need 50ias (magic and

Guided Arrow vs some bosses).

but if u make compromise you can get better deal than with

Windforce.

For example Mist has 40all res. so If u wanna max resists with

Windforce, you need many small charms with resists, instead of 3/20/20 or GC with dmg, life, AR. Also with Mist you can wear as I chose

Wilhelm's Pride. So my ring doesnt has to have dual leech but instead it can have something towards dmg or even +22fire res means 2 more 3/20/20 sc rather then 11fire res +20life and I can even squeeze TP charges.

After I burrowed

Windforce from mhlg I am still not 100% conviced that

Windforce is best combination - AR and resists are super bad. When ur merc is away from you or dead u dont have 7frames.

I will definitely tried all bowa builds in nonladder after season ends to see whats best.

Mist right now seems like swiss knife - it reach 90percentile in all areas, while

Windforce has easy IAS and high dmg, but

Windforce is super bad in everything else.

Every build has its pro and cons. For me max resists is winner, for someone else it doesnt matter.

Think of Faith IAS this way: you have double AR compare to

Windforce. So

Windforce extra

Arrows being shot due to 7frames can all actually be "not hitting target" compare to higher chance of hitting target with Faith - I mean if u shoot 3,57arrows per second with

Windforce and only 3,12 with Faith. so in 10seconds you shoot 35,7arrows with

Windforce compare to 31,2. But due to lower AR you can be at 70% = 24,99arrows actually hit target, but with Faith you have 78% hit chance so 24,336

Arrows actually hit target and thats not big much of a deal. and you can have 100%

Pierce, +15resists,

Fanaticism always on.

I usually focus on maxing lightning resists and fire resists first. If you have enough poison resist 61% with

Windforce, you can generally leech past it.

Raven Frost has 20% cold absorb and cannot be frozen so my current 66% is more than enough. I am maxed on fire and lightning with either bow. With the Mist all my resistances are 75% or higher. My current chance to hit with With

Windforce is 81% to 88%, haven't checked with Mist yet. On my non ladder char I hit everything at 95%.

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 years ago

If you want to get the 7-frame attack with the Faith GMB build, you have to give up on 100%

Pierce.

Nosferatu's Coil becomes a requirement (because nobody's going to swap Fortitude for

Twitchthroe).

thats true, but

Strafe dmg is insane and it has own frames - 18. So you need 50ias (magic and

Guided Arrow vs some bosses).

but if u make compromise you can get better deal than with

Windforce.

For example Mist has 40all res. so If u wanna max resists with

Windforce, you need many small charms with resists, instead of 3/20/20 or GC with dmg, life, AR. Also with Mist you can wear as I chose

Wilhelm's Pride. So my ring doesnt has to have dual leech but instead it can have something towards dmg or even +22fire res means 2 more 3/20/20 sc rather then 11fire res +20life and I can even squeeze TP charges.

After I burrowed

Windforce from mhlg I am still not 100% conviced that

Windforce is best combination - AR and resists are super bad. When ur merc is away from you or dead u dont have 7frames.

I will definitely tried all bowa builds in nonladder after season ends to see whats best.

Mist right now seems like swiss knife - it reach 90percentile in all areas, while

Windforce has easy IAS and high dmg, but

Windforce is super bad in everything else.

Every build has its pro and cons. For me max resists is winner, for someone else it doesnt matter.

Think of Faith IAS this way: you have double AR compare to

Windforce. So

Windforce extra

Arrows being shot due to 7frames can all actually be "not hitting target" compare to higher chance of hitting target with Faith - I mean if u shoot 3,57arrows per second with

Windforce and only 3,12 with Faith. so in 10seconds you shoot 35,7arrows with

Windforce compare to 31,2. But due to lower AR you can be at 70% = 24,99arrows actually hit target, but with Faith you have 78% hit chance so 24,336

Arrows actually hit target and thats not big much of a deal. and you can have 100%

Pierce, +15resists,

Fanaticism always on.

you mention testing.....this person has done it for us! behold the best bowazon youtube! very good stuff! I hope you check it out! he has tried just about every setup you can think of.

https://www.youtube.com/c/Bowazon/videos

I'm glad I took a look at that channel, because yet again, someone has revealed what a clown show ATVI development is.



Why even bother with patch notes when they're just lying at this point? Incompetent wankers.

I'm not experiencing any of the difficulties being displayed in the video. My latest build is just 24 days old, but I'm able to run anything in Hell. That's just me of course.