Pre-Build for Assassin

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

Sherloc09 wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

yeah link that shizzle. Im looking to roll a kicksin after my sorc is finished.

BIS gear choice. Again this one is subjective, as you could opt for other amulet, ring,

Belt, small charms, etc. I aimed for fire, light and cold absorb since you'll be using Enigma and running lean on resistances. Did a check on Diablo for the dps, looks like it's around 550,000 dps, with mid 200,000

Dragon Tail once you have three

Tiger Strike charges. This presumes amp dmg is also on Diablo. Then you would have 5 traps each dealing 10,000 lightning.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/750106f2

do you think this can do dclone or

Uber Tristram? maybe swap a few

Key items?

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

Sherloc09 wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

yeah link that shizzle. Im looking to roll a kicksin after my sorc is finished.

BIS gear choice. Again this one is subjective, as you could opt for other amulet, ring,

Belt, small charms, etc. I aimed for fire, light and cold absorb since you'll be using Enigma and running lean on resistances. Did a check on Diablo for the dps, looks like it's around 550,000 dps, with mid 200,000

Dragon Tail once you have three

Tiger Strike charges. This presumes amp dmg is also on Diablo. Then you would have 5 traps each dealing 10,000 lightning.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/750106f2

do you think this can do dclone or

Uber Tristram? maybe swap a few

Key items?

Sherloc09 wrote: 2 years ago

Updated the

Dragon Tail assassin build now that I've BIS my gear and had a chance to play around with 2.5 changes. https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/3g0106hr

Note we're using Enigma with maxed

Fade, and

Nosferatu's Coil to hit the second fastest attack speed for

Tiger Strike, while also having maxed res, 28% damage reduction even with a

Bone Break sunder charm. We drop

Lightning Sentry and it's synergies since we can't max them if we max

Fade, instead we max

Death Sentry with 6 hard in

Fire Blast, the remainder go into

Shadow Warrior, and you use either

Death Sentry on right click or use

Cloak of Shadows -- to control what your

Shadow Warrior is buffing you with. Also, from a stats perspective, we're going max block. During my testing, I noticed that ~15 pts in dex = 1,000 to

Dragon Tail damage when you have 3 charges of

Tiger Strike -- with max block i went from 61,000 dtail to 76,000 a 15,000 dmg increase! Going max block also raised my attack rating with

Tiger Strike from 6900 to 11600. Couple that with the tankiness of max block, it's definitely a build that can benefit from hard pointing as much dex as possible. Lastly, a sleeper benefit of going maxed

Fade is the ~85% curse duration reduction, which if you've used

Cleansing aura from the Paladin you know how beneficial that can be when running Chaos or Throne.

Decrepify lasts 1 second or so, and then you're back to having regular attack speed, quite a nice benefit.


Raw numbers to consider. If my attack rating for

Baal at 6900 was 70% chance to hit, and with 11600 it's 82%, plus the before and after

Dragon Tail damage is increased by 15,000/61,000, we can roughly say that the overall benefit of upping dexerity to max block gifted our

Dragon Tail assassin with a 17% [ar dmg boost] + 25% [flat dmg boost] = 42% dmg boost [to baal].

We get these numbers by the below calculations.

AR
82% - 70% = 12%. 12/70 = 17% increase in ar.

ATT DMG
76000 - 61000 = 15000. 15000/61000 = 25% increase in flat dmg.

Baal DMG Boosted
17% + 25% = 42% overall dmg increase. I can knock off 1/4 of baals total hp per third kick charges on p8 in

Terror Zone.

My life with this setup and all 40+ lifer gcs is 2434 at level 95.

Hidden gotcha -- I'm using

Defiance Mercenary, the damage would be even higher with Might, but you'd have to worry more about block/fhr lock and a dead mercenary needing to be revived.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Actually seems a wee bit silly, looking at just how far you can push that dmg with the right combination of skills and gear and whatnot.

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Just a quick first attempt at mix-matching for max dmg. Need to do some sandboxing for that at some point but I'd almost dare say you can turn that into a build actually capable of 1-shotting dclone. (Assuming maxroll calculations aren't totally off on the underlying skills of course)

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

what did you change?

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

what did you change?

Compared to the last one you linked? Half the gear and basically everything else. ;D
Will have a closer look tomorrow (time permitting).

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

what did you change?

Compared to the last one you linked? Half the gear and basically everything else. ;D
Will have a closer look tomorrow (time permitting).

i see. just wanted to make sure you saw that theres a drop down menu with a bunch of other prebuilds

Light_Gamer wrote: 2 years ago

Not sure about other assassin build but kicksin can beat D Clone within a minute and finish the whole Uber event within 3-5 min. And the gears are not expensive at all.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Compared to the last one you linked? Half the gear and basically everything else. ;D
Will have a closer look tomorrow (time permitting).

i see. just wanted to make sure you saw that theres a drop down menu with a bunch of other prebuilds

I did indeed. I found those..wanting.

Turns out mine above was wanting as well..wasn't gonna get any sleep without breaking the 1m dmg/3m dps so..caved and optimized a tad more already:

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holy crap. you gotta share after youre satisfied. but it looks like theres more plus to skills. its scaling really well it seems

Light_Gamer wrote: 2 years ago

Not sure about other assassin build but kicksin can beat D Clone within a minute and finish the whole Uber event within 3-5 min. And the gears are not expensive at all.

Other classes can certainly keep up with that. Other assassin builds..a lot harder. Possible for a couple but takes a lot more tweaking and optimization.
For the ubers at least. 1m dclone is slow enough for most builds/classes to keep up with. The goal there is <1 sec (or..1 hit, ideally). There's multiple classes/builds that can do <5s, <1s..not so much.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Actually seems a wee bit silly, looking at just how far you can push that dmg with the right combination of skills and gear and whatnot.

image.png

Just a quick first attempt at mix-matching for max dmg. Need to do some sandboxing for that at some point but I'd almost dare say you can turn that into a build actually capable of 1-shotting dclone. (Assuming maxroll calculations aren't totally off on the underlying skills of course)

Sherloc09 wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Actually seems a wee bit silly, looking at just how far you can push that dmg with the right combination of skills and gear and whatnot.

image.png

Just a quick first attempt at mix-matching for max dmg. Need to do some sandboxing for that at some point but I'd almost dare say you can turn that into a build actually capable of 1-shotting dclone. (Assuming maxroll calculations aren't totally off on the underlying skills of course)

That calculation is broken. I removed items from your d2 planner and it didn't reduce dmg by much. Remove the Phoenix and you'll see what I mean.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Alright, that seems to be the best I can come up with in terms of theorycrafting (pending some further random ideas completely changing it again):

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Slightly higher dmg output once again, fully capped on attack speed and actually fully res-capped on top of it now to make it an actual viable build and not just a silly little glass cannon that won't actually ever apply the damage.

Gonna go ahead and actually build that and see how far reality differs from the maxroll math.

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Alright, that seems to be the best I can come up with in terms of theorycrafting (pending some further random ideas completely changing it again):

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Slightly higher dmg output once again, fully capped on attack speed and actually fully res-capped on top of it now to make it an actual viable build and not just a silly little glass cannon that won't actually ever apply the damage.

Gonna go ahead and actually build that and see how far reality differs from the maxroll math.

be sure to link your build please. i have a lot of the stuff on ladder or can trade for it so I can help test. plus im tired of my sorc lol

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

Alright, that seems to be the best I can come up with in terms of theorycrafting (pending some further random ideas completely changing it again):

image.png

Slightly higher dmg output once again, fully capped on attack speed and actually fully res-capped on top of it now to make it an actual viable build and not just a silly little glass cannon that won't actually ever apply the damage.

Gonna go ahead and actually build that and see how far reality differs from the maxroll math.

be sure to link your build please. i have a lot of the stuff on ladder or can trade for it so I can help test. plus im tired of my sorc lol

All good. I use SP as a testbed so I can actually reliably and repeatedly go through dclone and ubers at different player counts as well and see how she fares.

First things first, I managed to find even more room for improvement, now changing the maxroll numbers to:
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For the same build, the char screen result is this:
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If you add amp, which the char screen doesn't account for, you move up to ~450k (for the sake of round numbers) and -res factored in would take you to right around 900k top-end against the maxroll dummy. So obviously quite a bit lower than maxroll but still just insane numbers.

Buuuuuut not insane enough! Since dclone starts out with 95 fire res, he doesn't quite end up at -200 and hence doesn't quite eat the full 900k. Plus his inherent phys reduction drops that number even further since the explosion dmg is based on the actual applied phys dmg. As a result, it still takes 2 full amp'd kicks to actually kill him. Sadly, 2 kicks isn't 2 attacks but 3 (6 if you don't pre-

Charge), since you need to recharge once to get back to 3

Tiger Strike for each kick. If amp doesn't proc off the bat (or you don't pre-cast it), you're at 3 kicks/5 attacks. Still crazy good..but not quite 1-shot good.

Be that as it may, the damage is frankly just silly and the fact that the explosion is actually aoe is just..insane. You can very leisurely stroll through P1 and just 1-shot absolutely everything that comes your way that isn't a proper boss with ample dmg to spare, without ever even using

Tiger Strike to

Charge up. Even on P8, you can get by perfectly fine without charging up. Once you do

Charge up..stuff just goes poof no matter what it is.

Oh and while the life pool is relatively small, survivability really isn't a problem. Between capped res, plenty of reduction and solid claw block, there isn't much to worry about.
Plus moving a bit of str into vit would solve that if one feels the need.
Similarly, depending on the target mobs, moving some str into dex instead would significantly up the AR while losing some but not a lot of dmg.

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Offering up full builds is no fun..but between the screenshots included here and me now adding that there isn't a single runeword involved in the build, you have what you need to figure it out if you're curious enough.

Bottom line:
Not something I'd personally use as a main build as I don't find the playstyle fun enough but if you do...it is just crazy good and capable of handling absolutely everything (with a sunder that is).