Find Item Barbarian

I posted this on D2 official forum but got no response, so hoping someone here knows the build.

Hi, i’m making a Find Item barbarian, specially to Find Item on dead corpses.
I’m already Max Find Item skill.

Now i ask, should i dual wield Heart Carver, with a total +8 Find Item, or should
I dual wield Gull Dagger? What’s the difference and which is better?

If Gull Dagger is better, then what is the purpose of Heart Carver and when would it be a better choice?

The purpose is not to kill mobs faster. I just plan on joining 8 player games and I will not be killing mobs, just constantly using Find Item on dead bodies, so if that is the case,
what is the best weapon for me?

Heart Carver, Gull Dagger, Ali Baba, any others? and Why it’s better?

Find Item doesn't need to be maxed, only need over a 50% chance, otherwise it's somewhat incremental and you want to be sure you have hard points for killing skills.

Well, i already maxed it. I might respect latter. But what i really want to know is does Gull Dagger have a real advantage over Heart Carver?

If so, what is the purpose of Heart Carver and in which cases does it do better than Gull Dagger?

2x Heart Carver daggers on a swap without even investin a single hard skill point into Find Item. I played such a barb long ago in 1.13 - worked out until I grew bored cuttin the crap out of corpses. Still, it's a way to go - if you like such approach and remain patient, methodical, and greedy.

About Gull: it isn't designed for a barb, clearly. It's for sorc and necro. Besides - your barb doesn't need more than 240% - 290% total mf, otherwise you'll just start receivin much more random rares, worthless 99,9999 of the time. Arm your barb with killin weapons in your main slot, and carry 2x Heart Carver on your swap with prepared Find Item on right click - it is fast, handy and effective approach. Good huntin

FanciestCrab wrote: 4 years ago

Find Item doesn't need to be maxed, only need over a 50% chance, otherwise it's somewhat incremental and you want to be sure you have hard points for killing skills.

Actually with endgame items 1 point should be enough.

zaken520 wrote: 4 years ago

Well, i already maxed it. I might respect latter. But what i really want to know is does Gull Dagger have a real advantage over Heart Carver?

If so, what is the purpose of Heart Carver and in which cases does it do better than Gull Dagger?

100% Better Chance of Getting Magic Item.
Due to diminishing returns of Find Item (i.e. each skill point increases the skill effect less than a previous one), there is no point in pumping +skills in it (either hard or soft) once a satisfactory
Magic Find also has diminishing returns (for finding rare, set and unique items), but +100% MF (or +200%, if you dual-wield) will result is much better drops than +5% (or even +10%) more chance to drop items.
Blade Of Ali Baba has both MF and GF, so if you find one, use it.

zaken520 wrote: 4 years ago

The purpose is not to kill mobs faster. I just plan on joining 8 player games and I will not be killing mobs, just constantly using Find Item on dead bodies, so if that is the case,
what is the best weapon for me?

How are you going to play then? Hork bodies in public games (so the other players can also get those items), or wait until the area is cleared and only then follow, when the party is far away? And that is assuming there's no another character destroying the corpses, such as necromancer, summon druid or just anyone using cold damage.
Consider making a more offensive barbarian, capable of farming Travincal.

Ok i'm confused.
So would you say a Maxed Find Item + 2x Heart Carver is NOT as good as 2x Gull Dagger + 1 point in Find Item?!?!?

If so, then there is absolutely no purpose to equip Heart Carver, and wonder why this item even need to exist.

zaken520 wrote: 4 years ago

I posted this on D2 official forum but got no response, so hoping someone here knows the build.

Hi, i’m making a Find Item barbarian, specially to Find Item on dead corpses.
I’m already Max Find Item skill.

Now i ask, should i dual wield Heart Carver, with a total +8 Find Item, or should
I dual wield Gull Dagger? What’s the difference and which is better?

If Gull Dagger is better, then what is the purpose of Heart Carver and when would it be a better choice?

The purpose is not to kill mobs faster. I just plan on joining 8 player games and I will not be killing mobs, just constantly using Find Item on dead bodies, so if that is the case,
what is the best weapon for me?

Heart Carver, Gull Dagger, Ali Baba, any others? and Why it’s better?

I like dual Ali babas. Whether you use dual Lems for Gold or Dual Ists for MF. Just have them on second hand and use main weapons until whom ever you're fighting is almost dead then swap back before they die. For mf I use Berserk barb with a Grief, then once Meph, andy, etc is about to die back to babas and get paid.

I have a Find Item barb. I have boosted the skill to 50% chance to find items. Personally i dont think that i need more. I am using double alibaba build and a total of 710 magic find. I am searching for public "cows" games and searching the bodies of the freshly killed cows. Personaly i am not satisfied with the results. I am findings a lot of items and Gold, but rares and uniques are missing.

Trav Runs corpse popping from just a Heart Carver / Gull swap skill seems good enough. 310 MF / 410 for pops so far on a build worth 1 Ist at most. No points in Find Item skill at all gives 15 (46%).

To Improve: Swap Gull to Blade Of Ali Baba with 2 Ist.

Also, this build is capable of running Ubers on gear swap.

zaken520 wrote: 4 years ago

So would you say a Maxed Find Item + 2x Heart Carver is NOT as good as 2x Gull Dagger + 1 point in Find Item?!?!?

If so, then there is absolutely no purpose to equip Heart Carver, and wonder why this item even need to exist.

1 hard point + enough skill points from items that a chance is reasonably high (40%-50%). Putting more hard skill points is a waste, as it's better to put them in different skills (so you can kill mobs).
You can use Heart Carver to boost Find Item, but you can boost it as well (to a reasonable level - mind the diminishing returns) with items in other slots (+3 WC amulet, barbarian-only helms, charms ( Hellfire Torch and skillers)), as no other slot boosts MF as much as aforementioned weapons.

And you're right, many (actually most) of the items are just useless fillers. I hope it'll change in future patches.

zaken520 wrote: 4 years ago

Ok i'm confused.
So would you say a Maxed Find Item + 2x Heart Carver is NOT as good as 2x Gull Dagger + 1 point in Find Item?!?!?

If so, then there is absolutely no purpose to equip Heart Carver, and wonder why this item even need to exist.

In this game, there's always a poor man's choice and a better/best item for build (e.g hoz/Exile for Pala)
In this case, if you're really looking for the uniques, set items, and absolutely not killing mobs then go for double Ali baba (isted or lemed) or even double 6os crystal swords with 6 ists each if you got the Wealth (speaking of it, a Wealth tu word armor). If you are looking for runes, and bases, I'd suggest double Hoto for the fcr and go leech cow runs (but as said above, can be griefed by summoner, cold damage characters, or Phoenix javazons). Your best choice if I may, is to build a killing barb with a swap and play in solo (or with friends) cuz you'll come across people waiting for you to hork and snatch whatever you might drop so.. There are your options

I’m super happy with my Frenzy/ Find Item barb. He horked out a Ber this morning. Anyway, the best choice I made was to use dual HOTO on switch for faster cast rate and plus skills. I have 17 or so hard points into Find Item, with overall level around 36-37 I think yielding me either a 55-56% Find Item. I get one percentage point when I use Battle Command so forgetting exact numbers.

If your plan is to use him for horking, I’m endorsing a high percentage that you can cast quickly. I’ve been doing better with mid 200 mf compared to when i was mid 600.

zZorceressTraderz wrote: 4 years ago

I’m super happy with my Frenzy/ Find Item barb. He horked out a Ber this morning. Anyway, the best choice I made was to use dual HOTO on switch for faster cast rate and plus skills. I have 17 or so hard points into Find Item, with overall level around 36-37 I think yielding me either a 55-56% Find Item. I get one percentage point when I use Battle Command so forgetting exact numbers.

If your plan is to use him for horking, I’m endorsing a high percentage that you can cast quickly. I’ve been doing better with mid 200 mf compared to when i was mid 600.

Is the point of FCR just for the Find Item skill or are you using it in conjunction with Enigma?

Both for Find Item, and for my Teleport with Enigma . But I would make the change for the Find Item cast speed alone even without tele.

Tonko wrote: 4 years ago

I have a Find Item barb. I have boosted the skill to 50% chance to find items. Personally i dont think that i need more. I am using double alibaba build and a total of 710 magic find. I am searching for public "cows" games and searching the bodies of the freshly killed cows. Personaly i am not satisfied with the results. I am findings a lot of items and Gold, but rares and uniques are missing.

I hoarked most of my uniques in public Chaos. Trav is good for rares, runes n Gold ( for me). Also pulled a few decent gcs off of mobs in Lower Kurast hitting chests.

zZorceressTraderz wrote: 4 years ago

I’m super happy with my Frenzy/ Find Item barb. He horked out a Ber this morning. Anyway, the best choice I made was to use dual HOTO on switch for faster cast rate and plus skills. I have 17 or so hard points into Find Item, with overall level around 36-37 I think yielding me either a 55-56% Find Item. I get one percentage point when I use Battle Command so forgetting exact numbers.

If your plan is to use him for horking, I’m endorsing a high percentage that you can cast quickly. I’ve been doing better with mid 200 mf compared to when i was mid 600.

That's usually the case with most characters, after 300 it starts becoming booty. Personally I like the sweet spot between 275-325. Seems to work great on poison necro anyways, takes a bit longer on big bosses like D and Baal but I've pulled some godly stuff in that range where full mf 700+ on barb may get a crap rare.

Didn't have luck with my hork Barb yet. He's sitting on 400+ MF - I also think of going down a bit. My best drops on other chars have been with 200-300 MF. RNG will outweight Magic find at some point anyway. While on paper more magic find = more uniques, i'd go for more kill speed instead.

It's good to see so usefull thread.
Looks like 76% of Find Item is maximum. Is that correct?
I'm have 20 Find Potion + 20 Find Item + some items which adds additional + barb skills points, which in generall grants me 76% of Find Item. After equiping Heart Carver, these 76% doesnt change.

Warning, the very useful thread dates back from a year ago, so Barb paradigms may have changed a bit, with especially the synergies changes - I am not expert in Barbs.