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Hi all,
I played D2 casually when it got out originally, recently bought the remaster. I am leveling a summoner necromancer, currently around level 65. Reading the guides, I am supposed to spend 20 points in Bone Prison. Why is that? If I cage an enemy, say, a boss, the bones prevent my minions from getting to their target. What am I missing?
Thanks for the help!
I played D2 casually when it got out originally, recently bought the remaster. I am leveling a summoner necromancer, currently around level 65. Reading the guides, I am supposed to spend 20 points in Bone Prison. Why is that? If I cage an enemy, say, a boss, the bones prevent my minions from getting to their target. What am I missing?
Thanks for the help!
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Hi all,
I played D2 casually when it got out originally, recently bought the remaster. I am leveling a summoner necromancer, currently around level 65. Reading the guides, I am supposed to spend 20 points in Bone Prison. Why is that? If I cage an enemy, say, a boss, the bones prevent my minions from getting to their target. What am I missing?
Thanks for the help!
I played D2 casually when it got out originally, recently bought the remaster. I am leveling a summoner necromancer, currently around level 65. Reading the guides, I am supposed to spend 20 points in Bone Prison. Why is that? If I cage an enemy, say, a boss, the bones prevent my minions from getting to their target. What am I missing?
Thanks for the help!
Are you reading the correct guide?
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I am using the maxroll gg website, it says 20 points in Corpse Explosion and 20 in Bone Prison
you dont use it for the skill, you use it for the bonus to Bone Armor
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Oh ok, wow I didn't know. It's not written in the guide. Thanks!
TBH, that guide is not a typical summoner guide. It is a customized guide and I do think he's using Bone Prison as a offensive skill. If it's for Bone Armor, then it should be 20 points in Bone Armor instead of 20 in Bone Prison.
Bone Armor gets more from it's synergies in Bone Prison and Bone Wall, than from it's own points.Flyhorse wrote: 1 year ago TBH, that guide is not a typical summoner guide. It is a customized guide and I do think he's using Bone Prison as a offensive skill. If it's for Bone Armor, then it should be 20 points in Bone Armor instead of 20 in Bone Prison.
It's the same for 22 skill points investment.choma90 wrote: 1 year agoBone Armor gets more from it's synergies in Bone Prison and Bone Wall, than from it's own points.Flyhorse wrote: 1 year ago TBH, that guide is not a typical summoner guide. It is a customized guide and I do think he's using Bone Prison as a offensive skill. If it's for Bone Armor, then it should be 20 points in Bone Armor instead of 20 in Bone Prison.
LVL 1 Bone Armor is +20, + 15 for each LVL after. Bonus from Bone Wall and Bone Prison is +15 each.
The absorbed damage to LVL 1 Bone Armor + LVL 1 Bone Wall + LVL 20 Bone Prison is 20 + 15 + 15 x 20, which is 335.
The absorbed damage to LVL 20 Bone Armor + LVL 1 Bone Wall + LVL 1 Bone Prison is (20 + 15 x 19) + 15 + 15, which is also 335.
Just looked it up and it seems they buffed the skill up from 10 to 15 in 2.4, I either missed it or forgot. If nothing else, at least investing in the synergies doesn't increase it's mana cost, which is still makes it best to max the synergies first over the armor itselfFlyhorse wrote: 1 year agoIt's the same for 22 skill points investment.choma90 wrote: 1 year agoBone Armor gets more from it's synergies in Bone Prison and Bone Wall, than from it's own points.Flyhorse wrote: 1 year ago TBH, that guide is not a typical summoner guide. It is a customized guide and I do think he's using Bone Prison as a offensive skill. If it's for Bone Armor, then it should be 20 points in Bone Armor instead of 20 in Bone Prison.
LVL 1 Bone Armor is +20, + 15 for each LVL after. Bonus from Bone Wall and Bone Prison is +15 each.
The absorbed damage to LVL 1 Bone Armor + LVL 1 Bone Wall + LVL 20 Bone Prison is 20 + 15 + 15 x 20, which is 335.
The absorbed damage to LVL 20 Bone Armor + LVL 1 Bone Wall + LVL 1 Bone Prison is (20 + 15 x 19) + 15 + 15, which is also 335.
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thanks for all the replies! Is there a more typical summoer guide i can follow? I'm getting pretty rekt at nightmare chapter 4, on bosses. My minions die and i can't kill the bosses
You can check this one: https://www.icy-veins.com/d2/summoner-necromancer-build.
I played a summoner last season, but a bit different from that. I used 20 points on Raise Skeletal Mage instead of Clay Golem because I don't see the point in it since it's just a slow tank. Only one in Clay Golem and Revive, the plus skills bonuses are enough. Also spent only 4 points in curses to get to Decrepify and dumped the rest of them into Golem Mastery. I entered hell with very bad resistances and had a rough time at first, but after fixing those I finished hell with ease.
I played a summoner last season, but a bit different from that. I used 20 points on Raise Skeletal Mage instead of Clay Golem because I don't see the point in it since it's just a slow tank. Only one in Clay Golem and Revive, the plus skills bonuses are enough. Also spent only 4 points in curses to get to Decrepify and dumped the rest of them into Golem Mastery. I entered hell with very bad resistances and had a rough time at first, but after fixing those I finished hell with ease.
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Thanks!! I'll check it out! Is icy veins a good resource all around? I sometimes use it for wo, and it's decent. But I'm not familiar with the best resources for d2, except for this website
You can also check out wowhead website. It's a very good one.
For boss fight, specially for under geared summon necro, Clay Golem and Iron Maiden are the best weapons.
For boss fight, specially for under geared summon necro, Clay Golem and Iron Maiden are the best weapons.
Better invest your points in Bone Wall. You'll get lvl 33 Bone Prison from Marrowwalk. As a Summoner you won't need neither Bone Prison or Bone Wall but leveling it will give you synergy for Bone Armor. Leveling Bone Armor is less profitable, because it takes more mana when you recast it and you won't have free Bone Wall
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For summoner, you typicaly have 20 Raise Skeleton, 20 Skeleton Mastery, 1 at least on the remainder of the Summoning tab (except Fire Golem which is useless) and 1 in Amp Damage Corpse Expl and Bone Armor.
When done with this, though, you still have many points left, so you can pump what you want : poison skills, golem, Bone Wall for more control, a bit of Bone attacks ( Spear/Spirit but not as much as a bonemancer), more Corpse Expl...
My advice : try the skills, see how you like them and choose one of the "options" above.
When done with this, though, you still have many points left, so you can pump what you want : poison skills, golem, Bone Wall for more control, a bit of Bone attacks ( Spear/Spirit but not as much as a bonemancer), more Corpse Expl...
My advice : try the skills, see how you like them and choose one of the "options" above.
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Besides those above, I would say gear is also something you want to think of.Necrarch wrote: 1 year ago ...
My advice : try the skills, see how you like them and choose one of the "options" above.
For example, if your gear guarantees your Iron Golem alive all time, then you can summon an Insight Iron Golem, meanwhile your merc can use another weapon.
A really good strategy fora summoner is to get revives of urdars or other big revives with crushing blow, then use a tele staff or Charge ammy (or Enigma) and Teleport right on top of the boss, the revives do the rest!cassetto wrote: 1 year ago thanks for all the replies! Is there a more typical summoer guide i can follow? I'm getting pretty rekt at nightmare chapter 4, on bosses. My minions die and i can't kill the bosses
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Thanks for the amazing replies!!! All useful tips!! my main struggle right now is my minions dying at bosses. I survive no problem, same the merc and the golem. but the skeletons die and I don't have corpses to summon them.. I have 20/20 in skeletons
Try one point in Decrepify and 1 point in Clay Golem. These two will slow even Baal so much that your skellies will survive until the boss goes down. The fight might take a while though...cassetto wrote: 1 year ago Thanks for the amazing replies!!! All useful tips!! my main struggle right now is my minions dying at bosses. I survive no problem, same the merc and the golem. but the skeletons die and I don't have corpses to summon them.. I have 20/20 in skeletons
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Also 1 point in Revives. They are very useful against bosses.
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