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I've been running various zones to farm Archon Staff on a character with almost zero MF and it doesn't drop at all. More than a 100 runs of Hell cows, Pits, Ancient Tunnels, River of Flame, Chaos Sanctuary, Abaddon, Pit of Acheron, Drifter Cavern, Icy Cellar, many terrorized zones... nothing, not even one drop of any kind.

I need a normal or superior base, no sockets, don't care about skills on it, as I plan to use one Larzuk quest to max socket it. But it seems it is more rare than most uniques for me, or am I just that unlucky?
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I've been running various zones to farm Archon Staff on a character with almost zero MF and it doesn't drop at all. More than a 100 runs of Hell cows, Pits, Ancient Tunnels, River of Flame, Chaos Sanctuary, Abaddon, Pit of Acheron, Drifter Cavern, Icy Cellar, many terrorized zones... nothing, not even one drop of any kind.

I need a normal or superior base, no sockets, don't care about skills on it, as I plan to use one Larzuk quest to max socket it. But it seems it is more rare than most uniques for me, or am I just that unlucky?
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ShadowHeart 6531Moderator

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It's rare, but it's not THAT rare. It's just RNG, as always.

I played a couple of hours of TZ yesterday and I found several Archon Staffs, 2-3 at least (didn't count). As the dumbass I am, I ditched them all cause I didn't stop to consider the possibilities with Obsession & Warlock. Ah well. I'll try to remember to keep them from now on. But I'm sure they'll stop dropping now that I'll be paying more attention 😜😂

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A plain Archon Staff is about a Jah on Traderie right now.

Plan A for many Warlock players seems to be to buy a Mang Song's Lesson to go down the fire route.

Plan B is making an Obsession for all (?) other Warlock builds. Archon Staff and Rune Staff are the ideal choices. ( War Staff might only get 5 sockets if it drops very early.)
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drop rates from nishicode.com/

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tadkarcz wrote: 6 months ago
Like all other Treasure Class 87 items, an Archon Staff can be quite elusive...

Whenever you see a Thunder Maul, Mythical Sword, Legendary Mallet, Hydra Bow, Caduceus, Giant Thresher, etc etc -- remember: it could have been an Archon Staff! 😁
Funny enough, from that list, in that time I was farming for Archon Staff, I got at least two Mythical Sword and plenty of Hydra Bow / Giant Thresher with a few Legendary Mallet. I even got the all the runes for Obsession I was missing and planning to trade for. But not even one Archon Staff of any kind. Yeah, it could have been, hahaha
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krathkor wrote: 6 months ago
drop rates from nishicode.com/
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Thank you! I didn't know that this calculator exists. Quite useful.
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Schnorki 5562Moderator

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Rare in general, yes.
Rare compared to other specific elite bases, not particularly.

But as we all know, the one you're currently looking for is always the rarest. :P

mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
A plain Archon Staff is about a Jah on Traderie right now.

Plan A for many Warlock players seems to be to buy a Mang Song's Lesson to go down the fire route.

Plan B is making an Obsession for all (?) other Warlock builds. Archon Staff and Rune Staff are the ideal choices. ( War Staff might only get 5 sockets if it drops very early.)
Not quite. For most other builds, Obsession still isn't the top choice. Or even close. There are like 1 or 2 where it might be (close at least) but I have yet to see anyone run those.

Even Mang Song's died down though as hardly anyone runs fire it seems.
And those few that do just keep sabotaging Baal runs by spamming that stupid aoe knockback the entire time...ugh...
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Schnorki wrote: 6 months ago
Rare in general, yes.
Rare compared to other specific elite bases, not particularly.

But as we all know, the one you're currently looking for is always the rarest. :P

mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
A plain Archon Staff is about a Jah on Traderie right now.

Plan A for many Warlock players seems to be to buy a Mang Song's Lesson to go down the fire route.

Plan B is making an Obsession for all (?) other Warlock builds. Archon Staff and Rune Staff are the ideal choices. ( War Staff might only get 5 sockets if it drops very early.)
Not quite. For most other builds, Obsession still isn't the top choice. Or even close. There are like 1 or 2 where it might be (close at least) but I have yet to see anyone run those.

Even Mang Song's died down though as hardly anyone runs fire it seems.
And those few that do just keep sabotaging Baal runs by spamming that stupid aoe knockback the entire time...ugh...
Ok, I see. Let's hope that the Mangs builds really die. Then the big Mangs flippers will have lost their bet and will remain on their piles of Mangs that they bought for Ists in the first hours and then offered them for 5-20 Jahs
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mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
Schnorki wrote: 6 months ago
Rare in general, yes.
Rare compared to other specific elite bases, not particularly.

But as we all know, the one you're currently looking for is always the rarest. :P

mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
A plain Archon Staff is about a Jah on Traderie right now.

Plan A for many Warlock players seems to be to buy a Mang Song's Lesson to go down the fire route.

Plan B is making an Obsession for all (?) other Warlock builds. Archon Staff and Rune Staff are the ideal choices. ( War Staff might only get 5 sockets if it drops very early.)
Not quite. For most other builds, Obsession still isn't the top choice. Or even close. There are like 1 or 2 where it might be (close at least) but I have yet to see anyone run those.

Even Mang Song's died down though as hardly anyone runs fire it seems.
And those few that do just keep sabotaging Baal runs by spamming that stupid aoe knockback the entire time...ugh...
Ok, I see. Let's hope that the Mangs builds really die. Then the big Mangs flippers will have lost their bet and will remain on their piles of Mangs that they bought for Ists in the first hours and then offered them for 5-20 Jahs
To be fair it's a super rare drop. Only ones with 15% fire are going for high amounts.

It's good that it's seeing some use now.
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I still have an unid Mang Song's Lesson . Highest offer I got before putting it down was 2 Jah. I decided to keep it because I am still not sure what I want to play and one of my sons really likes the "Fire Nova" 😉

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Schnorki wrote: 6 months ago

Even Mang Song's died down though as hardly anyone runs fire it seems.
And those few that do just keep sabotaging Baal runs by spamming that stupid aoe knockback the entire time...ugh...

I'm running Fire at the moment. It's very strong. A huge 17 yards aoe blast with about 15k damage (with a consumed Tainted Demon but without a Warlock torch) right now and massive enemy fire resistance reduction (plus Infinity, Phoenix shield as I don't have Ars Al'Diabolos and Flickering Flame).

I guess there are probably even better Warlock builds out there, but Fire Warlock, although not maxed out by far, is even faster than Fire Sorc and Fire Druid.
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Anyway, it's quite disappointing that staves (and other 2H weapons) have started to be even considered as viable weapons only when they became 1H (for warlocks). Otherwise, the "sword and board" setup beats them because two stat sticks are always better than one.
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waoh wait ... plain or non-OS Archons sell for HR's now?

dammit...i should have paid more attention. =(

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mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
A plain Archon Staff is about a Jah on Traderie right now.
Artificially blown up prices at traderie.. Sorry to speak bold, but imo whoever pays this price has no idea about this game. Only chance to have War Staff and Rune Staff with 5 OS is when they drop from monsters lower than lvl 25, which excludes Rune Staff drops. Other option is that they got rerolled with Recipe: Normal Quality Weapon of Same Type, but then, Archon Staff may also get 5OS. So in the end, you can't be sure what they roll if purchased from unreliable sources that traders are.

Just do some Cows in Hell and wait for any of the three dropping, then Larzuk. Did the same with eth WS, cause it looks cool. I just threw away a plain Archon Staff while pondering about trying to give it 6os with Recipe: Add Sockets to Normal Weapon, but ended up deeming it not worthy wasting Perfect Amethyst and Ral

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Skaijuice wrote: 6 months ago
waoh wait ... plain or non-OS Archons sell for HR's now?

dammit...i should have paid more attention. =(
On Traderie they do, especially if they already have 6 sockets. Investing a few open Larzuk quests would help to sell them quickly for Jah+. Lots of Jah+ trades in the last days.
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Blubbalutsch wrote: 6 months ago
mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
A plain Archon Staff is about a Jah on Traderie right now.
Artificially blown up prices at traderie.. Sorry to speak bold, but imo whoever pays this price has no idea about this game.
It's a combination of laziness, impatience and Wealth that makes them pay Jah+ for these staffs. I did it myself (all three attributes applied to me).
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Schnorki 5562Moderator

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mikelessar wrote: 6 months ago
Schnorki wrote: 6 months ago

Even Mang Song's died down though as hardly anyone runs fire it seems.
And those few that do just keep sabotaging Baal runs by spamming that stupid aoe knockback the entire time...ugh...

I'm running Fire at the moment. It's very strong. A huge 17 yards aoe blast with about 15k damage (with a consumed Tainted Demon but without a Warlock torch) right now and massive enemy fire resistance reduction (plus Infinity, Phoenix shield as I don't have Ars Al'Diabolos and Flickering Flame).

I guess there are probably even better Warlock builds out there, but Fire Warlock, although not maxed out by far, is even faster than Fire Sorc and Fire Druid.
Oh, fire is crazy good, no question.
And yet, surpassed by other builds.
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I figure Obsession might be better than Mang Song even for fire build. More skills + FCR to hit the 125 BP and you can already get plenty of minus enemy fire res from Flickering Flame and Phoenix. Not to mention binding a demon with Conviction. My brain hurts.

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justinman114 wrote: 6 months ago
I figure Obsession might be better than Mang Song even for fire build. More skills + FCR to hit the 125 BP and you can already get plenty of minus enemy fire res from Flickering Flame and Phoenix. Not to mention binding a demon with Conviction. My brain hurts.
I think that's right. With good gear and consuming a simple Tainted you should get more than -100% to enemy fire resistance. Obsession has more FCR, life, mana and resistances. However, Mang Song's Lesson has more skills (+5 instead of +4), still Obsession wins most of the time, I guess.
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