Best all-in-one build without gear swap?

With this build you could be farming everywhere with convenient MF, do Über

Tristram and DClone. What would be your choice?

It used to be Hammerdin/Smiter or tri-brid hammer/foh/smiter.
But thanks to sunder, almost all S-tier build can do Uber/DClone

Depends on what your priorities and taste are.

There's plenty of builds that can farm everything, including ubers, from pally variations and javas over sorcs to

Frenzy barbs and summon druids. Though they are not exactly created equal. E.g. a

Frenzy barb CAN clear everything. But they won't be anywhere near the raw performance of a javazon or solid pally build.

Personally, I'd actually say bowzon. Can do everything no problem and is quite entertaining (subjective) in doing so. But I'm also very aware that her performance - while good - is nowhere near say my sorc or just generally many other actual top-tier builds.

If you're solely looking at overall performance though (or you just happen to prefer the playstyle), a Mosaic sin would be near impossible to beat.

Schnorki wrote: 3 months ago

Depends on what your priorities and taste are.

There's plenty of builds that can farm everything, including ubers, from pally variations and javas over sorcs to

Frenzy barbs and summon druids. Though they are not exactly created equal. E.g. a

Frenzy barb CAN clear everything. But they won't be anywhere near the raw performance of a javazon or solid pally build.

Personally, I'd actually say bowzon. Can do everything no problem and is quite entertaining (subjective) in doing so. But I'm also very aware that her performance - while good - is nowhere near say my sorc or just generally many other actual top-tier builds.

If you're solely looking at overall performance though (or you just happen to prefer the playstyle), a Mosaic sin would be near impossible to beat.

Actually, my question is not only about farming capability for everywhere, but also carrying enough MF (say 250+) without any need of weapon swapping. And regarding Über farming, it should be not that challenging. I mean, basically with enough knowledge and patience one can farm Übers with any well-geared build other than specific ones like singer Barb.

So my vote also goes to Mosaic Assassin.

mockingbirdreal wrote: 3 months ago

It used to be Hammerdin/Smiter or tri-brid hammer/foh/smiter.
But thanks to sunder, almost all S-tier build can do Uber/DClone

What would be gear for that Paladin? Well-known Hammerdin gear with the like

Heaven's Light?

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

What would be gear for that Paladin? Well-known Hammerdin gear with the like

Heaven's Light?

There are many choices of gears. You need both FCR for farming and CB, lifetap, OW for Uber.

Heaven's Light is a popular choice for having CB and you can put 2

Shael to reach 6 frames with only 1 hard point into fana.

Astreon’s iron

Ward with +4 skills is a good option! -if you can find one

I adore my Poison Necro for the 'farm anything' role. I invested his extra skill points into summoning such that he's got access to decent physical damage and has revives. So, with the right curse, there's nowhere he can't clear, and he's done Ubers, DClone,

Terror Zones, etc. I get that the conversation had gone to pallys, but I had to advocate for my favorite class.

my vote goes to light or

Nova sorc. either of them, if geared properly, can clean most if not all areas in the p8 setting with decent MF.

btw i've heard that the

Nova version has been buffed, but dunno exactly. anyway I personally stick with the lighting version

Nate2.0 wrote: 3 months ago

Astreon’s iron

Ward with +4 skills is a good option! -if you can find one

I already have one ethereal with +4 and

Zod in it. Good choice!

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

mockingbirdreal wrote: 3 months ago

It used to be Hammerdin/Smiter or tri-brid hammer/foh/smiter.
But thanks to sunder, almost all S-tier build can do Uber/DClone

What would be gear for that Paladin? Well-known Hammerdin gear with the like

Heaven's Light?

You can faceroll off-

Smite with any caster pally build using only minor adjustments that hardly affect the caster side of things at all.
- Replace

Boots with gore riders for OW and some crushing
- Roll your CtA in a

Phase Blade
- Instead of a Spirit alongside your CtA, pop in an Exile

It won't get you quite to full smiter performance, obviously, but it is more than enough for ubers and the like. You drop a couple sills on your BO and your

Boots by comparison to a "normal" caster loadout but that's honestly hard to ever notice at higher levels.

If you want,

Sacrifice your head socket for a

Cham to avoid getting frozen while smiting, done. Again hard to notice on a hammerdin, slightly more annoying on a FoHdin since you'd then drop a facet for it.

(Just one of many ways to go about it mind you)

Schnorki wrote: 3 months ago

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

mockingbirdreal wrote: 3 months ago

It used to be Hammerdin/Smiter or tri-brid hammer/foh/smiter.
But thanks to sunder, almost all S-tier build can do Uber/DClone

What would be gear for that Paladin? Well-known Hammerdin gear with the like

Heaven's Light?

You can faceroll off-

Smite with any caster pally build using only minor adjustments that hardly affect the caster side of things at all.
- Replace

Boots with gore riders for OW and some crushing
- Roll your CtA in a

Phase Blade
- Instead of a Spirit alongside your CtA, pop in an Exile

It won't get you quite to full smiter performance, obviously, but it is more than enough for ubers and the like. You drop a couple sills on your BO and your

Boots by comparison to a "normal" caster loadout but that's honestly hard to ever notice at higher levels.

If you want,

Sacrifice your head socket for a

Cham to avoid getting frozen while smiting, done. Again hard to notice on a hammerdin, slightly more annoying on a FoHdin since you'd then drop a facet for it.

(Just one of many ways to go about it mind you)

Good points! And what about CtA on a

Caduceus with some staffmods like

Fanaticism to spare points?

Edit: Oh no need to spare point since it's Hammerdin. I confused it with FoH Paladin.

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

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Good points! And what about CtA on a

Caduceus with some staffmods like

Fanaticism to spare points?

Edit: Oh no need to spare point since it's Hammerdin. I confused it with FoH Paladin.

Phase CtA = 7 frame

Smite, even without fana, easy 6 with 1 pt. fana

Caduceus = 8 frame

Smite, needs at least lvl 13 fana to break 6

If you plan to uber with it, you'll likely be keeping

Conviction for meph (assuming you're a FoHdin) or using a 1pt

Salvation for him or whatever. No fana anyways. Personally, I'd hence stick to a phase to keep 7 frames on meph.

Alternatively, adding 20 more IAS somewhere gets you 7 frame base with a cad as well but then you're sacrificing other bits somewhere again for little to no noticeable gain.

For me that's a tesladin. I use this standard Grief build with a light sunder and gore riders: https://maxroll.gg/d2/guides/dream-paladin

This build without gear swaps can handle any

Terror zone p3-8, depending on area and how nice your gear is. It's a really safe build, so kill speed, not survival, is the limiting factor at higher player counts

The same build also works fine for ubers, although it's slower than a smiter. I switch to dracs for ubers and change around my merc, but you can also just do it with a

Life Tap

Wand

I was inspired by TheDoo's

Vengeance Paladin with just some theory crafting and ended up with this Avenger. What do you guys think about it? I haven't ever played one and no idea about play styel. This is just on paper but will try that when I have time.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/5hgi0aq1

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

With this build you could be farming everywhere with convenient MF, do Über

Tristram and DClone. What would be your choice?

Mosaic Assassin for sure. Nothing comes close to it and I've played all top tier builds, fully decked out.