Show off your demons!

Rhaegar86 wrote: 15 hours ago

Check out my new rainbow devil from the Furnace of Pain with cursed + fana...

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DrunkAkuma wrote: 13 hours ago

are the Uber Pit lord able to come with the Bonus Modifier: Multiple Shot (greatly preferred, as it splits their Inferno breath into three streams to coat the whole screen instantly)

FerociousTerrier wrote: 12 hours ago

The Dark Lancers in Matron's Den cannot be terrorized, so I believe they are always level 88 +/-. That just makes them a slightly weaker version of the ones you can get from terrorized Act 5. Effectively, damage is the same since their actual damage is dwarfed by Bind Demon added damage. Their HP can be an issue unless you like doing ubers in P8--if not, you can get a higher health lancer from a P8 game in terrorized Act 5. The biggest difference may be in chance to hit, because a level 99 dark lancer *probably* has a much easier time hitting high levels like Dclone and Ubers than a lvl 88 Dark Lancer from Matron's Den. Another difference is their aura level since Tz lancers can get a level higher aura than a lvl 88 lancer. I am sure you are generally better off with a higher level Tz lancer than with an uber lancer.

kerph wrote: 9 hours ago

DrunkAkuma wrote: 13 hours ago

are the Uber Pit lord able to come with the Bonus Modifier: Multiple Shot (greatly preferred, as it splits their Inferno breath into three streams to coat the whole screen instantly)

Yes they can get multishot

Not sure if it makes them curse more, i don't think I've ever had a multishot and cursed one

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 3 hours ago

Did you get the cursed Rainbow Devil with one Point in Bind Demon or 15?

kerph wrote: 3 hours ago

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 3 hours ago

Did you get the cursed Rainbow Devil with one Point in Bind Demon or 15?

Uniques in the Furnace of Pain are the only ones that can spawn with cursed, which need 15 points to bind, but you can get the regular ones with 1 point

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 2 hours ago

I assumed so. Maybe its not worth the 15 HP in some cases. Magic and Firelock dont need it or maybe just for mercs survivalbility.

kerph wrote: 2 hours ago

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 2 hours ago

I assumed so. Maybe its not worth the 15 HP in some cases. Magic and Firelock dont need it or maybe just for mercs survivalbility.

I agree, probably not worth it except for eldritch builds

varangium wrote: 53 minutes ago

kerph wrote: 9 hours ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 12 hours ago

The Dark Lancers in Matron's Den cannot be terrorized, so I believe they are always level 88 +/-. That just makes them a slightly weaker version of the ones you can get from terrorized Act 5. Effectively, damage is the same since their actual damage is dwarfed by Bind Demon added damage. Their HP can be an issue unless you like doing ubers in P8--if not, you can get a higher health lancer from a P8 game in terrorized Act 5. The biggest difference may be in chance to hit, because a level 99 dark lancer *probably* has a much easier time hitting high levels like Dclone and Ubers than a lvl 88 Dark Lancer from Matron's Den. Another difference is their aura level since Tz lancers can get a level higher aura than a lvl 88 lancer. I am sure you are generally better off with a higher level Tz lancer than with an uber lancer.

Personally I've had no issues with my Matron's Den lancers re: tankiness, they have MUCH more health than the ones from a5. Even without Stone skin I've had no issues. I'm not sure if they have a higher health Cap than them, or if it's just that they reach the health Cap without tz / p8

That is true about attack rating but her Jab somewhat mitigates this, as well as any attack rating / defense modifiers

But.... I would still say it's not worth the keys. I think it'll be much less of a pain to find one with Stone skin in a5

Just looked at it more this morning, the WSK1 Black lancers are also listed as lancer_cr8, and come with the 27.8k hp max same as the Matron's Den ones (actually slightly higher vs. 26k). Also they are level 85 vs. 83.

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/inde ... ep_Level_1
http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/inde ... on%27s_Den

Crazy how much more HP they have than even the ancient's way lancers, at 5k max, with level only 85 vs. 82, and same base monster type. Also double the damage at 187 vs. 99, although the Bind Demon add damage overshadows this.

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/inde ... nts%27_Way

Well.. I never knew. Glad I checked this. I had just been binding Vile Lancers from Act 1 because they are easy and plentiful to spawn, I figured the only difference between these guys and the WSK1 guys was the level difference, which TZ should fix. But that is not the case. Side note, this site's listing monsters/corrupt-rogue-spearwoman-t4206.html for Lancers doesn't capture this difference, which is why I was confused. I generally trust Amazon Basin on monster stats over diablo2.io.

Based on this, I think WSK1 lancers are for sure the way to go if you want a lancer, even if it is annoying they only have a 52% chance of spawning in WSK1 based on my calcs (14 possible monsters, 3 chances) (although I swear the last 10 times I've been in WSK1 I haven't seen them). All the benefits of the Matron's Den, but you also get Terrorized level increase and affix. And no need to worry about player's count, because the HP will already be maxed to the Cap.

I could even see going for a cursed affix vs. Stone skin with the increased tankiness. Lack of Stone skin will result in 4x the physical damage under normal conditions - however, the WSK1 lancer has 5x the HP - granted, the Cap reduces this somewhat, but it is still close to 2.5-3x on average I think at P1, and under amp damage conditions (the only condition my lancer is ever in danger), the WSK1 lancer wins out. Although I DO have to watch her sometimes when amped, so maybe Stone skin still best, and this could make it where I don't have to watch her ever.