FerociousTerrier wrote: 2 hours agoOR, Bind Demon should get a synergy that isn't "increase chance to bind". If Death Mark had a useful synergy, you would have to decide between dumping into Miasma Bolt for stronger chains or DM for stronger demon.
Blood Boil needs a strong demon without requiring more synergies to max out. I think it's not really workable as stated. Blood Boil builds don't have extra points to beef up demons to back where they were before.
I thought all Blood Boil needed was a big enough health pool? Demon damage is a nice bonus but, isn't it primarily from Blood Boil itself anyway in that build? (I assumed the synergy would be for Bind Demon's damage)departure wrote: 2 hours agoBlood Boil needs a strong demon without requiring more synergies to max out. I think it's not really workable as stated. Blood Boil builds don't have extra points to beef up demons to back where they were before.
You're right, I wasn't thinking from the Miasma perspective. 31 points for an insanely powerful build is perhaps too low investment. How does that compare with top tier paladin and amazon builds (neither of which I have played or plan to play)? For sorcs, Meteor/blizz bulds have 5 maxed skills for full synergy, and Nova, while only being three skills, basically requires maxing and synergizing Energy Shield for defense, so in these cases Miasma + Superdemon for 5 max skills does seem overkill (noting that warlock also gets major defense skills for just a couple of points). Perhaps entropy should increase the # of chains for every 2 points so that maxing entropy gives you current level of chains?departure wrote: 2 hours agoYea maybe. Maybe I should be more careful with my critique.FerociousTerrier wrote: 2 hours agoOR, Bind Demon should get a synergy that isn't "increase chance to bind". If Death Mark had a useful synergy, you would have to decide between dumping into Miasma Bolt for stronger chains or DM for stronger demon.
I'm realizing that the build I'm comparing this against is actually Blood Boil, not pure summon. Blood Boil (being in the demon tree) seems to be the build that you're actually looking to use with a potentially maxed out demon. And from that perspective, it requires all the points and synergies already. When I say Tainted is better than bound demon, I should be saying that a Tainted Blood Boil build is better than a bound demon Blood Boil build. It's on me for not being clear enough about that.
I think I'm still in the camp that miasma should at least require a full synergy with entropy to get to its current levels. At least. In my opinion the current levels would still need to be nerfed a little.
Blood Boil is not great in and of itself. For example, if you went with a goat Blood Boil build, I think you'd find that it was fairly underpowered. Currently the strongest Blood Boil build is Tainted+ Blood Boil - a situation which irritates me due to the fact that it's not as interesting or fun as blind demon + Blood Boil. The Blood Boil build + summon situation runs out of points before it runs out of power. So there aren't spare points to go around. So a Death Mark synergy would be fairly inaccessible to the Blood Boil build.kerph wrote: 2 hours agoI thought all Blood Boil needed was a big enough health pool? Demon damage is a nice bonus but, isn't it primarily from Blood Boil itself anyway in that build? (I assumed the synergy would be for Bind Demon's damage)
Ah i get that for suredeparture wrote: 1 hour agoBlood Boil is not great in and of itself. For example, if you went with a goat Blood Boil build, I think you'd find that it was fairly underpowered. Currently the strongest Blood Boil build is Tainted+ Blood Boil - a situation which irritates me due to the fact that it's not as interesting or fun as blind demon + Blood Boil. The Blood Boil build + summon situation runs out of points before it runs out of power. So there aren't spare points to go around. So a Death Mark synergy would be fairly inaccessible to the Blood Boil build.
If Bind Demon came with more bonses from hard points as @FerociousTerrier mentions, AND misasma required entropy to get all the chains as @FerociousTerrier mentions, then a miasma build is not able to access Bind Demon power that a Blood Boil + Bind Demon build would naturally access. And this I think solves the problem. So Bind Demon needs something of a buff from hard Bind Demon points, and miasma needs to depend on entropy more. I think this would put us in a much better place and put Blood Boil + demon back on top of the Blood Boil ladder.
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