Patch 3.3

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

OR, Bind Demon should get a synergy that isn't "increase chance to bind". If Death Mark had a useful synergy, you would have to decide between dumping into Miasma Bolt for stronger chains or DM for stronger demon.

This!

departure wrote: 1 hour ago

Blood Boil needs a strong demon without requiring more synergies to max out. I think it's not really workable as stated. Blood Boil builds don't have extra points to beef up demons to back where they were before.

I thought all Blood Boil needed was a big enough health pool? Demon damage is a nice bonus but, isn't it primarily from Blood Boil itself anyway in that build? (I assumed the synergy would be for Bind Demon's damage)

departure wrote: 1 hour ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

OR, Bind Demon should get a synergy that isn't "increase chance to bind". If Death Mark had a useful synergy, you would have to decide between dumping into Miasma Bolt for stronger chains or DM for stronger demon.

Yea maybe. Maybe I should be more careful with my critique.

I'm realizing that the build I'm comparing this against is actually Blood Boil, not pure summon. Blood Boil (being in the demon tree) seems to be the build that you're actually looking to use with a potentially maxed out demon. And from that perspective, it requires all the points and synergies already. When I say Tainted is better than bound demon, I should be saying that a Tainted Blood Boil build is better than a bound demon Blood Boil build. It's on me for not being clear enough about that.

I think I'm still in the camp that miasma should at least require a full synergy with entropy to get to its current levels. At least. In my opinion the current levels would still need to be nerfed a little.

You're right, I wasn't thinking from the Miasma perspective. 31 points for an insanely powerful build is perhaps too low investment. How does that compare with top tier paladin and amazon builds (neither of which I have played or plan to play)? For sorcs, Meteor/blizz bulds have 5 maxed skills for full synergy, and Nova, while only being three skills, basically requires maxing and synergizing Energy Shield for defense, so in these cases Miasma + Superdemon for 5 max skills does seem overkill (noting that warlock also gets major defense skills for just a couple of points). Perhaps entropy should increase the # of chains for every 2 points so that maxing entropy gives you current level of chains?

Honestly, I think the Bind Demon affixes should come with hard points instead of soft points, so you need to max Bind Demon to get an aura. That would reduce the OPness of going full fire/eldrich/miasma builds and one point in Bind Demon + skillers *at time of binding* to get your free-ish superdemon (sure, no uniques or superuniques, but you still get a really good demon!).

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