Schaefer's Hammer and Cleave

Im testing

Schaefer's Hammer with a more or less unique "only"

Cleave build in p8 terrorzones at the moment. The 360 attack against multiple enemies fits very well with the 20 %

Static Field on attack and gives you a nice aoe damage and killspeed. And im not even have an ethereal Schaefers.

Using dracs,

Gore Rider, gladiator's bane,

Crown of Ages/

Shako,

Stormshield, nosferatus, Call To Arms in offhand as the only exception, renewed bonebreak and defiler+cursed demon. Merc has an

Eth

Shaftstop,

Vampire Gaze and Reapers Toll.

Pretty cool to see items like

Stormshield, Gladiator's Bane and

Schaefer's Hammer in action and doing good. The well diversified damage with Schaefers and

Cleave is something special. I would like to see what an

Eth Schaefers could do in a propper set up.

It cant be

Eth afaik, since it have an indestructible trait

Correct - a unique that’s indestructible cannot be ethereal unless it’s designed to always be ethereal (there’s a few of those;

Ethereal Edge,

Shadow Killer and

Ghostflame).

ShadowHeart wrote: 1 day ago

Correct - a unique that’s indestructible cannot be ethereal unless it’s designed to always be ethereal (there’s a few of those;

Ethereal Edge,

Shadow Killer and

Ghostflame).

It always irritated me they did that with indestructible uniques, considering unique throw weapons with self repair can spawn ethereal.

Knappogue wrote: 1 day ago

ShadowHeart wrote: 1 day ago

Correct - a unique that’s indestructible cannot be ethereal unless it’s designed to always be ethereal (there’s a few of those;

Ethereal Edge,

Shadow Killer and

Ghostflame).

It always irritated me they did that with indestructible uniques, considering unique throw weapons with self repair can spawn ethereal.

Agree, but it is consistent though - unique non-throw weapons with self-repair can spawn ethereal too (

Ginther's Rift being the only one I know, there might be others). It is just the "Indestructible" property that is special w.r.t. uniques.

NaglFarfar wrote: 21 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 1 day ago

ShadowHeart wrote: 1 day ago

Correct - a unique that’s indestructible cannot be ethereal unless it’s designed to always be ethereal (there’s a few of those;

Ethereal Edge,

Shadow Killer and

Ghostflame).

It always irritated me they did that with indestructible uniques, considering unique throw weapons with self repair can spawn ethereal.

Agree, but it is consistent though - unique non-throw weapons with self-repair can spawn ethereal too (

Ginther's Rift being the only one I know, there might be others). It is just the "Indestructible" property that is special w.r.t. uniques.

You missed the point of my comment. Uniques with indestructible don't get the ethereal damage boost. But unique throws with self-repair (throw weapon version of indestructible) do get damage boost of ethereal.
Yes, I know melee can have self-repair, but throws don't have durability so they will never spawn with and would never benefit from indestructible.

You can make indistructable Runewords in

Eth weapons, but indistructable uniques cannot roll

Eth...man thats sad -_-

Knappogue wrote: 21 hours ago

NaglFarfar wrote: 21 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 1 day ago

It always irritated me they did that with indestructible uniques, considering unique throw weapons with self repair can spawn ethereal.

Agree, but it is consistent though - unique non-throw weapons with self-repair can spawn ethereal too (

Ginther's Rift being the only one I know, there might be others). It is just the "Indestructible" property that is special w.r.t. uniques.

You missed the point of my comment. Uniques with indestructible don't get the ethereal damage boost. But unique throws with self-repair (throw weapon version of indestructible) do get damage boost of ethereal.
Yes, I know melee can have self-repair, but throws don't have durability so they will never spawn with and would never benefit from indestructible.

I'm not sure I follow. I do agree that it would be nice if uniques that have the indestructible mod would also be able to spawn ethereal (apart from the always-ethereal ones)! It is not clear to me why they chose to do it that way.

What I meant was that the self-repair mod on regular weapons and the self-replenish mod on throwing weapons mirror each other, and work the same way (uniques with any of these mods can spawn either ethereal or non-

Eth). While indestructible obviously makes sense only on non-throw weapons, and this mod is handed separately. It seemed that you hinted towards an inconsistency in the game's design, but maybe I misunderstood you!

NaglFarfar wrote: 17 hours ago

I'm not sure I follow. I do agree that it would be nice if uniques that have the indestructible mod would also be able to spawn ethereal (apart from the always-ethereal ones)! It is not clear to me why they chose to do it that way.

What I meant was that the self-repair mod on regular weapons and the self-replenish mod on throwing weapons mirror each other, and work the same way (uniques with any of these mods can spawn either ethereal or non-

Eth). While indestructible obviously makes sense only on non-throw weapons, and this mod is handed separately. It seemed that you hinted towards an inconsistency in the game's design, but maybe I misunderstood you!

Maybe we are just two ships passing in the night? I am saying there is an inconsistency in the game design. Melee weapons have durability but not quantity. Throw have quantity but not durability. In this comparison I'm treating the quantity of throw weapons as its durability counter. Following this comparison throw weapons would use 'self-repair' as its indestructible mod since "magic

Arrows" is the only attack that doesn't

Consume, but that is a skill. You can't get indestructible as a character skill.
As I'm writing this I give up because I keep mentally poking holes in my own long winded comparison. Since there is no way to socket throw weapons you can't socket a

Zod in an ethereal one so if it doesn't have self-repair its screwed after a while. So its the other side of the same coin. Melee can't roll ethereal but you could socket a

Zod. Throw can roll ethereal but you can't socket a

Zod.
I've come full circle all by myself lol.

Knappogue wrote: 11 hours ago

NaglFarfar wrote: 17 hours ago

I'm not sure I follow. I do agree that it would be nice if uniques that have the indestructible mod would also be able to spawn ethereal (apart from the always-ethereal ones)! It is not clear to me why they chose to do it that way.

What I meant was that the self-repair mod on regular weapons and the self-replenish mod on throwing weapons mirror each other, and work the same way (uniques with any of these mods can spawn either ethereal or non-

Eth). While indestructible obviously makes sense only on non-throw weapons, and this mod is handed separately. It seemed that you hinted towards an inconsistency in the game's design, but maybe I misunderstood you!

Maybe we are just two ships passing in the night? I am saying there is an inconsistency in the game design. Melee weapons have durability but not quantity. Throw have quantity but not durability. In this comparison I'm treating the quantity of throw weapons as its durability counter. Following this comparison throw weapons would use 'self-repair' as its indestructible mod since "magic

Arrows" is the only attack that doesn't

Consume, but that is a skill. You can't get indestructible as a character skill.
As I'm writing this I give up because I keep mentally poking holes in my own long winded comparison. Since there is no way to socket throw weapons you can't socket a

Zod in an ethereal one so if it doesn't have self-repair its screwed after a while. So its the other side of the same coin. Melee can't roll ethereal but you could socket a

Zod. Throw can roll ethereal but you can't socket a

Zod.
I've come full circle all by myself lol.

Actually, throw weapons have a hidden durability that is being used when used in melee combat.

Not that it really matters here, just wanted to be a smart ass.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/resources/durability-quantity

vued wrote: 7 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 11 hours ago

NaglFarfar wrote: 17 hours ago

I'm not sure I follow. I do agree that it would be nice if uniques that have the indestructible mod would also be able to spawn ethereal (apart from the always-ethereal ones)! It is not clear to me why they chose to do it that way.

What I meant was that the self-repair mod on regular weapons and the self-replenish mod on throwing weapons mirror each other, and work the same way (uniques with any of these mods can spawn either ethereal or non-

Eth). While indestructible obviously makes sense only on non-throw weapons, and this mod is handed separately. It seemed that you hinted towards an inconsistency in the game's design, but maybe I misunderstood you!

Maybe we are just two ships passing in the night? I am saying there is an inconsistency in the game design. Melee weapons have durability but not quantity. Throw have quantity but not durability. In this comparison I'm treating the quantity of throw weapons as its durability counter. Following this comparison throw weapons would use 'self-repair' as its indestructible mod since "magic

Arrows" is the only attack that doesn't

Consume, but that is a skill. You can't get indestructible as a character skill.
As I'm writing this I give up because I keep mentally poking holes in my own long winded comparison. Since there is no way to socket throw weapons you can't socket a

Zod in an ethereal one so if it doesn't have self-repair its screwed after a while. So its the other side of the same coin. Melee can't roll ethereal but you could socket a

Zod. Throw can roll ethereal but you can't socket a

Zod.
I've come full circle all by myself lol.

Actually, throw weapons have a hidden durability that is being used when used in melee combat.

Not that it really matters here, just wanted to be a smart ass.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/resources/durability-quantity

you can have a throw barb to replenish those weapons for you once in a while. Theoretically. I have not yet found the weapon worth this.

vued wrote: 7 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 11 hours ago

NaglFarfar wrote: 17 hours ago

I'm not sure I follow. I do agree that it would be nice if uniques that have the indestructible mod would also be able to spawn ethereal (apart from the always-ethereal ones)! It is not clear to me why they chose to do it that way.

What I meant was that the self-repair mod on regular weapons and the self-replenish mod on throwing weapons mirror each other, and work the same way (uniques with any of these mods can spawn either ethereal or non-

Eth). While indestructible obviously makes sense only on non-throw weapons, and this mod is handed separately. It seemed that you hinted towards an inconsistency in the game's design, but maybe I misunderstood you!

Maybe we are just two ships passing in the night? I am saying there is an inconsistency in the game design. Melee weapons have durability but not quantity. Throw have quantity but not durability. In this comparison I'm treating the quantity of throw weapons as its durability counter. Following this comparison throw weapons would use 'self-repair' as its indestructible mod since "magic

Arrows" is the only attack that doesn't

Consume, but that is a skill. You can't get indestructible as a character skill.
As I'm writing this I give up because I keep mentally poking holes in my own long winded comparison. Since there is no way to socket throw weapons you can't socket a

Zod in an ethereal one so if it doesn't have self-repair its screwed after a while. So its the other side of the same coin. Melee can't roll ethereal but you could socket a

Zod. Throw can roll ethereal but you can't socket a

Zod.
I've come full circle all by myself lol.

Actually, throw weapons have a hidden durability that is being used when used in melee combat.

Not that it really matters here, just wanted to be a smart ass.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/resources/durability-quantity

We call that a distinction without a difference