Sorc Infinity Base (self wield)

I'm contemplating making one in an

Eth base.

The only consideration is being unable to repair the cyclone charges. I don't really use them to begin with, but maybe I should be.

So I'm just wanting your opinion and maybe Insight is regarding the

Cyclone Armor charges.

I see SW Infinity as a

Nova weapon not a lightning weapon. As such I'm not going to be specifically targeting bosses, ubers, or Uber ancients with

Nova. Against everything else in the game, save souls, I don't need the CA. Sometimes there's a random

Herald that does an ungodly amount of dmg with a spell and in that case I'm usually just dead, maybe CA would help but I'd have to he using it every single time for the random occurrence of it maybe saving me from an instant Death.

I don't do pvp but I also don't imagine wanting to self wield Infinity as a sorc pvp.

Anything I'm potentially missing?

Cyclone Armor is not essential, but if you're going to use it, the order you cast it matters in how the game determines what absorbs damage first, and that is important in regards to

Energy Shield. CA cast first followed by ES will cause ES to trigger first and then whatever gets through is handled by CA. Reapplying CA after it expires while ES remains active will not achieve the desired result, keep that in mind.

As for the base to use,

Scythe gets a lot of use as players like the look, but

Brandistock gives you the option to use it on a self-wield Trapsin if you ever want to play that build as it has the fastest attack speed for trap laying.

I was thinking of doing a trapsin for my next ladder, but I know nothing of them. Is it important for them to get Infinity at some point as well? Might make an Infinity just for them in that case though if its ladder

i never use

Cyclone Armor on my self wield Infinity zon, believe it to be negligible at <300 hp at 0 res if I'm not mistaken

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

i never use

Cyclone Armor on my self wield Infinity zon, believe it to be negligible at <300 hp at 0 res if I'm not mistaken

Well you don't have access to

Energy Shield, that's why.

Doesn’t matter either way.

Eth base for self wield - no advantage
Non

Eth base for cyclone charges - pointless IMO - no advantage.

Crimmy wrote: 1 hour ago

Is it important for them to get Infinity at some point as well?

It's a lot cheaper than the alternative. Cunning

Greater Talons of Quickness with 2 sockets is not something you can just find willy nilly. You'd even have a tough time trading for them because they are extremely rare, expensive and sought after.

you mean after 90%+ went to

Energy Shield and sorc has <1k hp and bad res, the ~300 points of the

Cyclone Armor make a difference?
maybe, but it's also quite annoying to recast isn't it?

D2Veteran wrote: 1 hour ago

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

i never use

Cyclone Armor on my self wield Infinity zon, believe it to be negligible at <300 hp at 0 res if I'm not mistaken

Well you don't have access to

Energy Shield, that's why.

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

you mean after 90%+ went to

Energy Shield and sorc has <1k hp and bad res, the ~300 points of the

Cyclone Armor make a difference?
maybe, but it's also quite annoying to recast isn't it?

It's 95% if you're using a swap setup to hit max level. If you recast CA you gain no benefit because the game will trigger ES last.

You can read more about it here.

D2Veteran wrote: 2 hours ago

Cyclone Armor is not essential, but if you're going to use it, the order you cast it matters in how the game determines what absorbs damage first, and that is important in regards to

Energy Shield. CA cast first followed by ES will cause ES to trigger first and then whatever gets through is handled by CA. Reapplying CA after ES has remained active will not achieve the desired result, keep that in mind.

Do you have a source or a proof of this claim? According to the Amazon Basin (which I generally trust), ES is applied after

Cyclone Armor (and

Bone Armor - so maybe also

Psychic Ward?). Was it changed in D2R?

Trang Oul wrote: 1 hour ago

Do you have a source or a proof of this claim? According to the Amazon Basin (which I generally trust), ES is applied after

Cyclone Armor (and

Bone Armor - so maybe also

Psychic Ward?). Was it changed in D2R?

Here you go

Thank you @D2Veteran!
I also dug up some ancient Reddit posts. Here is the post preceding the one you've found. It claims the same, that the cast order matters.
Apparently this game will never stop surprising me.

varangium wrote: 1 hour ago

Doesn’t matter either way.

Eth base for self wield - no advantage
Non

Eth base for cyclone charges - pointless IMO - no advantage.

Eth reduces the stats needed by 10.
And the looks also matter. I'd go with the one I prefer visually tbh.

vued wrote: 58 minutes ago

Eth reduces the stats needed by 10.
And the looks also matter. I'd go with the one I prefer visually tbh.

I personally use an

Eth base myself, and i have no issues with survivability without the use of CA.

Cyclone Armor use in this context is more of a min-maxing niche, only really useful if your intent is quick magic find runs that last for the duration of CA (explained in my initial post why that is the case).

D2Veteran wrote: 1 hour ago

Crimmy wrote: 1 hour ago

Is it important for them to get Infinity at some point as well?

It's a lot cheaper than the alternative. Cunning

Greater Talons of Quickness with 2 sockets is not something you can just find willy nilly. You'd even have a tough time trading for them because they are extremely rare, expensive and sought after.

Trapsins usually don't self-wield Infinity.

Crescent Moon + Spirit

Monarch and Infinity on Merc is preferred because it provides much better defensive capabilities and fcr (for teleporting and general QoL).

Note that you can use

Claws for laying traps and have

Crescent Moon on swap to increase the trap damage after having placed them.

If you cast them in the right order, so that CA applies after ES, CA is a great extra layer of safety that applies for a very long time. I use it all the time on my

Nova Sorc, (except if I do very short runs (repair cost) and wouldn't want to miss it, so a non-

Eth base for me.