Favorite zon builds

TIL there are many Amazon builds!

A short update on poison java..

equipped +3 gloves and a 43% ED Bramble. dmg 106k / 11.8s (slevel 45)
compared to a CoH/Enigma about 20% dps increase, at cost of survivavbility and/or mobility
hard max would be about 120k dmg over ~12s with a couple more skiller charms and perfect Bramble, a perfect uber facet and one more facet in a blue

Helm

Thorns aura isn't worth anything

at lvl 86 there is nothing meaningful to spend the remaining points on..

the build is fun, but clearly inferior to every other build I tried. It needs more single target dmg to be relevant. E.g.

Poison Javelin needs to be short duration / high single target dps, and

Valkyrie needs a substantial dps boost to help with boss killing

Strafe/multi bowa is my favorite. I feel like it’s a “show piece build” lol, bc for it to realllly shine you have to have realllly expensive gear/charms.

2nd - self wield Infinity. Absolutely crushes

3rd - javazon

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Strafe/multi bowa is my favorite. I feel like it’s a “show piece build” lol, bc for it to realllly shine you have to have realllly expensive gear/charms.

2nd - self wield Infinity. Absolutely crushes

3rd - javazon

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Strafe/multi bowa is my favorite. I feel like it’s a “show piece build” lol, bc for it to realllly shine you have to have realllly expensive gear/charms.

2nd - self wield Infinity. Absolutely crushes

3rd - javazon

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg (weapon dmg, min max charms, flat dmg, etc), x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Strafe/multi bowa is my favorite. I feel like it’s a “show piece build” lol, bc for it to realllly shine you have to have realllly expensive gear/charms.

2nd - self wield Infinity. Absolutely crushes

3rd - javazon

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

Then consider things like crit hits (chance to do double dmg),

Pierce, added %physical dmg from new jewels, might from Merc, and you have an absolute mini gun for a bowazon.

This kinda what I was talking about when I said “show piece”… lots of mechanics, math and optimizations with a bowa. Every drop counts haa

thanks! so dps wise it's what like ~7k mean * 3 attacks / second ~20k? or is it per arrow if only one boss is targeted, then ~200k less misses? and what would be hit rate on

Baal?

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Strafe/multi bowa is my favorite. I feel like it’s a “show piece build” lol, bc for it to realllly shine you have to have realllly expensive gear/charms.

2nd - self wield Infinity. Absolutely crushes

3rd - javazon

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Strafe/multi bowa is my favorite. I feel like it’s a “show piece build” lol, bc for it to realllly shine you have to have realllly expensive gear/charms.

2nd - self wield Infinity. Absolutely crushes

3rd - javazon

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

Strafe is also one of my favorites, especially when farming TZ

Travincal because of fast clear speed. I have 15 fanat Faith on my main and a

Windforce on swap, and I use Atmas Scarab for its Amp damage proc.

haha sure minigun is a good comparison, she even takes a few moments to start rolling
and do you use

Atma's Scarab for dmg amplification?

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

Then consider things like crit hits (chance to do double dmg) and added %physical dmg from new jewels, might from Merc, and you have an absolute mini gun for a bowazon.

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

thanks! so dps wise it's what like ~7k mean * 3 attacks / second ~20k? or is it per arrow if only one boss is targeted, then ~200k less misses? and what would be hit rate on

Baal?

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

hmm what dmg does it show on tooltip for your

Strafe?
and is it before or after

Fanaticism /

Concentration?
and last question, are aura dmg actually additive or multiplicative? example base dmg 1000,

Fanaticism 150%,

Concentration 200%, what is the effctive dmg per hit, and what does tooltip say?

my first is still self wield Infinity, the only zon that beats sorc in anything (killing ubers )

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

Here is a screenshot of the standard build from maxroll showing DPS for

Strafe, just to give u an idea.

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

haha sure minigun is a good comparison, she even takes a few moments to start rolling
and do you use

Atma's Scarab for dmg amplification?

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

Then consider things like crit hits (chance to do double dmg) and added %physical dmg from new jewels, might from Merc, and you have an absolute mini gun for a bowazon.

Atmas or Hilords. Atmas area of effect is small, so sometimes I opt for the DS from hilords

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

haha sure minigun is a good comparison, she even takes a few moments to start rolling
and do you use

Atma's Scarab for dmg amplification?

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Then consider things like crit hits (chance to do double dmg) and added %physical dmg from new jewels, might from Merc, and you have an absolute mini gun for a bowazon.

Atmas or Hilords. Atmas area of effect is small, so sometimes I opt for the DS from hilords

From my experience

Atma's amp damage is superior to Highlord's Deadly Strike, because it not only does more damage but it also breaks physical immunity which DS doesn't. Highlord's is a chance to double your physical damage, while

Amplify Damage reduces enemy physical resistance by 100%, and that makes it the killer. That being said, continue to use what works for you.

ganseng wrote: 3 weeks ago

haha sure minigun is a good comparison, she even takes a few moments to start rolling
and do you use

Atma's Scarab for dmg amplification?

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Scellis24 wrote: 3 weeks ago

Fully geared and with

Concentration active, I believe the tool tip says max dmg of 12Kish using a socketed

Windforce. With Faith it’s a good bit lower like 8-9k on tool tip, but faster. So it’s either shoot faster or hit harder… mainly preference but on paper, I think WF is the DPS winner.

I also have Mania on swap, so I proc that first to hit desired BP without fana on merc (Pride instead).

I’m not sure how to answer the aura dmg question. I THINK it’s multiplicative of the total dmg from your weapon/bow AFTER including dmg charms, any flat dmg sources (like war travs for example). I believe it’s the same for any enhanced dmg (like from Fortitude for example). That’s why those min/max dmg charms are so impactful… I’m certain someone will correct me if I’m wrong lol

For example- 1k dmg x 700%(150% from fana+ 250%from

Concentration + 300% from Fortitude) = 7k total dmg

Then consider things like crit hits (chance to do double dmg) and added %physical dmg from new jewels, might from Merc, and you have an absolute mini gun for a bowazon.

Yes

Atma's amp damage plays a large role in the result.

So guys I did make another zon
Spearzon this time.. obviously Breath of the Dying to be equipped
And question is,

Matriarchal Spear or

Matriarchal Pike?

Pike deals 12.5% more dmg, and build will prly have at least 95 IAS and lvl 12

Fanaticism.. so will there be a substantial advantage in breakpoints with the

Spear on

Jab and

Fend?

hmm made botd out of an ethereal

Matriarchal Pike.. not sure it's optimized in every possible breakpoint, but it certainly feels godly!

ganseng wrote: 3 hours ago

hmm made botd out of an ethereal

Matriarchal Pike.. not sure it's optimized in every possible breakpoint, but it certainly feels godly!

Which content you are doing with her ?
I'd like to try it one day, but will not invest into Ebotd first. What content do you recommend to do with Obedience to feel how all those works on physical zon? I have endgame gear pieces like Chains of Honor for myself, Infinity, Faith or Pride for merc, etc...
I somehow always thought spearzon is like Fury/

Maul Druid just without that many summons.

Ive always felt like amazons are the easy-mode ones as the character can be so strong with no good gear. Seems like a really good season starter as you dont need to worry about items

Semirotta wrote: 2 hours ago

Ive always felt like amazons are the easy-mode ones as the character can be so strong with no good gear. Seems like a really good season starter as you dont need to worry about items

what kind of Amazon you mean? Bow or Lighting Fury one?
O thought about dual Physical/Ice or Ice/fire , may be for next ladder.
I tried Lighting before, I'm pretty bad without sunders. May be I should've farm Nightmare instead of Hell that time. Cows are quite boring after 2-3 runs. So what else?

dionisy_cn wrote: 2 hours ago

Semirotta wrote: 2 hours ago

Ive always felt like amazons are the easy-mode ones as the character can be so strong with no good gear. Seems like a really good season starter as you dont need to worry about items

what kind of Amazon you mean? Bow or Lighting Fury one?
O thought about dual Physical/Ice or Ice/fire , may be for next ladder.
I tried Lighting before, I'm pretty bad without sunders. May be I should've farm Nightmare instead of Hell that time. Cows are quite boring after 2-3 runs. So what else?

Anything really, what ive had my try outs with amazons its always been the easiest going right after summoners. I mean, perhaps ive gotten lucky and found decent non-unique and set gear before endgame or something but it has always felt like the easiest to go through. You can get through pretty much every immune there is to throw at the player too.

I mean lightning is awesome, you just cant deny that. Its just terrible in hell just like fire element; too many fricken immunes. Without sunder, they are in a pickle from time to time. Luckily there are physical dmg etc. you can still use to get rid of the immunes, unless its a bunch of souls :'D

dionisy_cn wrote: 2 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 3 hours ago

hmm made botd out of an ethereal

Matriarchal Pike.. not sure it's optimized in every possible breakpoint, but it certainly feels godly!

Which content you are doing with her ?
I'd like to try it one day, but will not invest into Ebotd first. What content do you recommend to do with Obedience to feel how all those works on physical zon? I have endgame gear pieces like Chains of Honor for myself, Infinity, Faith or Pride for merc, etc...
I somehow always thought spearzon is like Fury/

Maul Druid just without that many summons.

so far I'm just enjoying the playthrough - was lucky to get an ethereal

Matriarchal Pike with +3 skills just as I hit lvl 69, and had all the runes ready
before that I was using Obedience, also worked fine, but botd is of course a different story
I think this zon will be very hard hitting but relatively slow.. so for general farming better use

Lightning Fury (or sorc )
but for heavy areas, like tz Chaos or

Baal, or maybe even ubers, she will be similarly good as self wield Infinity i feel