Single Player Idea to address Elephant in the room

yes but in single player you can also dupe everything you find, therefore it's so much easier to get stacked

Bizington wrote: 20 hours ago

Greys_Prey wrote: 22 hours ago

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 1 day ago

10,000+ p8 LK runs kind of defeats your statement ZERO

Ber drop 1 made from lower runes. The super chests drop about 40% of the runes above

Ko the rest are everywhere but those chests.
If I trusted blizzard further than I could throw them an Editor could poof them into existence but Blizzard has its Terms of use and its specifically states no 3rd party programs. I'm not going to trust them to keep ignoring SP. Besides an NPC would be playing the game which is the entire point of Farming at all.
If I wanted to relive the Open Bnet days why bother with little shit just make the character have 26 million HP/MP and 255 skill lvls and spawn Super Uber Bosses again.

offline really is 100 % safe with editor.
I mean, you can literally go to maxroll.gg and click your own character together with Enigma and everything, export it from the website and import it in offline to test or play forever everything you want if you hadnt the chance to get the runes or time before. That is a great option.

I agree. I do not think there is any Elephant in the room with these game modes compared to one another.

As others have mentioned, the trade off is get /players8 or whatever count you want.

Personally, I play SSF on PSN so I do not have the option of editing my save games without a hassle (imo, it's easy, just tedious).

However, I do use Maxroll to "test" builds before I go out and spend 10

Jah on a bunk build.

With all that being said - imho the game modes are balanced for good reasons.

There is also a reason why they call it SSF or Offline Single Player.

Anyway, I've spent too much time on this thread, but it is neat to see what ppl's ideas are.

Everyone keeps referring to P8 as if its some Comparison to this subject. Which it isn't. I can throw the exact same logic you all seem quick to toss at this "Hero edit to 99" why would you need Player count at all it's single player!

Oh! Hmmm Yeah the basis of your disagreement is just as easily dismissed if you just cheat past it.

What I've not heard from anyone is besides Not playing the game and cheating how do you expect to get Several

Ber a few

Cham and a few

Zod to complete the 100% Runewords? because its not actually possible even with insane amounts of grinding. <<< This is trying to play the game as it's intended Currently.

I see whats being said, not everyone plays on PC so you dont always have access yo Hero Editor (which would make it a little pointless to even play. ) to a certain extent yeah SP can go so far, but for Chronical purposes you cant make a lot of the runewards. Yeah, i play multiplayer online on Xbox, playing in a 8player game does make it more difficult and better items do drop more often. Ive seen up to

Ber drop quite a bit, so having a NPC to trade with in SP to get runes and using the cube to up puls, ums,mals, and ists would benefit but not take away from farming uniques to get those runs

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 16 hours ago

Bizington wrote: 20 hours ago

Greys_Prey wrote: 22 hours ago

offline really is 100 % safe with editor.
I mean, you can literally go to maxroll.gg and click your own character together with Enigma and everything, export it from the website and import it in offline to test or play forever everything you want if you hadnt the chance to get the runes or time before. That is a great option.

I agree. I do not think there is any Elephant in the room with these game modes compared to one another.

As others have mentioned, the trade off is get /players8 or whatever count you want.

Personally, I play SSF on PSN so I do not have the option of editing my save games without a hassle (imo, it's easy, just tedious).

However, I do use Maxroll to "test" builds before I go out and spend 10

Jah on a bunk build.

With all that being said - imho the game modes are balanced for good reasons.

There is also a reason why they call it SSF or Offline Single Player.

Anyway, I've spent too much time on this thread, but it is neat to see what ppl's ideas are.

Everyone keeps referring to P8 as if its some Comparison to this subject. Which it isn't. I can throw the exact same logic you all seem quick to toss at this "Hero edit to 99" why would you need Player count at all it's single player!

Oh! Hmmm Yeah the basis of your disagreement is just as easily dismissed if you just cheat past it.

What I've not heard from anyone is besides Not playing the game and cheating how do you expect to get Several

Ber a few

Cham and a few

Zod to complete the 100% Runewords? because its not actually possible even with insane amounts of grinding. <<< This is trying to play the game as it's intended Currently.

Ok I wasn't going to bite, but every day there seems to be a post from someone about how this game is bad in some way.

How do you farm those runes in SSF?
YOU PLAY THE FUCKING GAME!

It's really that simple.

Also SSF is almost considered to be a life-long grind. Not a "I'll pick up the DLC and get all the trophies by the next DLC".
THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME.

Over 2 decades... over 20 YEARS most of of have been playing, straight through, or on and off, for that long.
I still have yet to find my first natural SoJ in SSF and when I do it's gonna be amazing.

So many people in such a rush to finish an unfinishable game.

It's Dungeons and Dragons with a GUI instead of Pen & Paper.

If you don't like the grind, this isn't your game. Period.

And the /players8 is the exact comparison.
Online has Trades and Party Play
SSF/Offline has /players8 command instead.

Play the game for the experience, not the "trophies" and you'll have a lot more fun.

And cheating? I play on PSN so I do not have the option to edit those files as I stated. And what ppl are saying is just "pretend" you are trading with yourself. Toss some

Perfect Amethyst on the Ground and give yourself an

Ist rune. Idk. There's literally plenty of shit out there to edit your files FOR FREE and IS NOT against TOS as long as you aren't server hacking Blizzard, which I would wish no one here is doing.

Fire up an Assassin or a Sorc.
Go to LK during TZ's
Open Super Chests
Get rich
Stop complaining
Have more fun


But holy shit does someone have to come into these forums everyday to shit on this game?
If you don't like it, don't play it.
Huh?
Ik people who don't like chess. I love chess. I never see them on my chess forums saying "we need to change the game of chess so it better suits me!"

Get outta here with that.

Either farm up LK and Trav, don't play SSF, mock trade with yourself, or find another game, we all say this like every fucking day.

I shld just stay off the forums for a while.

I'm gonna expect some push back from my reply.

@Bizington

Making a proposed solution to the impossible with something which absolutely needs you to play A FUCKING LOT is not cheating nor is it about wanting the game handed to you on a plater.

Sorry to say but your rant just makes you sound like a troll wanting to post a bunch of shit which doesn't address the issue. You're even saying CHEAT don't play the fucking game Cheat but delude yourself into thinking it's playing. you know where you can ram your rant right?

Sorry OP, based on the comments it doesn't seem like anyone feels the same way about this as you do.
If the support ratio is this low Blizz will never implement it. They barely implement things that have 100% support.
Best advice I can give is a "trade with yourself" method. Take the items you find, look up their fair market value, delete the item, and hero-edit the payment to yourself.

Knappogue wrote: 13 hours ago

Sorry OP, based on the comments it doesn't seem like anyone feels the same way about this as you do.
If the support ratio is this low Blizz will never implement it. They barely implement things that have 100% support.
Best advice I can give is a "trade with yourself" method. Take the items you find, look up their fair market value, delete the item, and hero-edit the payment to yourself.

The vast majority of the replies take Single player as cheat central with no allowance to play the game legit. problem is SP can not complete the runewords challenge so they may as well remove the chronicles for them it's piss poor planning on the part of the devs.

Explain how ALL the calls to cheat make doing ANY playing the game as intended worth the effort? The second you *Poof* one object into your SP game there is no Value in any of the play you've done up to that moment accomplishing anything after cheating isn't an accomplishment. At that point you may as well just edit a lvl 99 character with Maxed Stats and Skills and equip the absolute best items your build can take.

Wow, you mad bro? I didnt say change the game. All i said is that “ i see what hes saying” no need to get so worked up over it. (Biz)

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 12 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 13 hours ago

Sorry OP, based on the comments it doesn't seem like anyone feels the same way about this as you do.
If the support ratio is this low Blizz will never implement it. They barely implement things that have 100% support.
Best advice I can give is a "trade with yourself" method. Take the items you find, look up their fair market value, delete the item, and hero-edit the payment to yourself.

The vast majority of the replies take Single player as cheat central with no allowance to play the game legit. problem is SP can not complete the runewords challenge so they may as well remove the chronicles for them it's piss poor planning on the part of the devs.

Explain how ALL the calls to cheat make doing ANY playing the game as intended worth the effort? The second you *Poof* one object into your SP game there is no Value in any of the play you've done up to that moment accomplishing anything after cheating isn't an accomplishment. At that point you may as well just edit a lvl 99 character with Maxed Stats and Skills and equip the absolute best items your build can take.

You just want blizzard to cheat for you. Its the same end result.

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 12 hours ago

The second you *Poof* one object into your SP game there is no Value in any of the play you've done up to that moment accomplishing anything after cheating isn't an accomplishment.

I agree with this sentiment. Thats why I suggested looking up fair market value for the items. But its definitely not perfect.

20 years ago I bought a hoto and Enigma with real money. Ruined the game for me for years. It took away all sense of satisfaction. I never did it again. I understand the slippery slope worry of hero editor.

I have a feeling that the only reason high runes are in circulation in the amounts they are in multiplayer is bc of private bots. So i think a better solution if u wanted parity, not that it would ever happen, would be to actually address botting on b.net

I don't think there really should be parity tho, the disadvantages of not having access to trading seem like core features of singleplayer imo

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 1 day ago

A single player is expected to find 100% of items which make their characters able to participate in end game content.

Sorry, isn't that kinda the point I think you're better off playing b.net than having the multiplayer experience emulated in singleplayer. It seems kinda natural that things like the chronicle & high-end runewords are going to be way harder to reach? I think if you're playing the game to complete those things maybe singleplayer is not for you

(also no, blizzard is not going to ban u for editing an offline save ^^)

Lemzodistber wrote: 12 hours ago

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 12 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 13 hours ago

Sorry OP, based on the comments it doesn't seem like anyone feels the same way about this as you do.
If the support ratio is this low Blizz will never implement it. They barely implement things that have 100% support.
Best advice I can give is a "trade with yourself" method. Take the items you find, look up their fair market value, delete the item, and hero-edit the payment to yourself.

The vast majority of the replies take Single player as cheat central with no allowance to play the game legit. problem is SP can not complete the runewords challenge so they may as well remove the chronicles for them it's piss poor planning on the part of the devs.

Explain how ALL the calls to cheat make doing ANY playing the game as intended worth the effort? The second you *Poof* one object into your SP game there is no Value in any of the play you've done up to that moment accomplishing anything after cheating isn't an accomplishment. At that point you may as well just edit a lvl 99 character with Maxed Stats and Skills and equip the absolute best items your build can take.

You just want blizzard to cheat for you. Its the same end result.

I want blizzard to address something they made Impossible to attain through normal play. they can do it easily since ALL the code to do it already exists in the game. the cube can identify elite exceptional and Normal So that part is already in the code An NPC with another RNG tab just like Gambling is added to NPC's you input Unique they identify and return a randomized Rune within the parameters

All in all, its wishful thinking. Maybe if the COMPLETELY re release the game single player only with that mechanic itd be different, its never gonna happen though, we all know it

kerph wrote: 8 hours ago

I have a feeling that the only reason high runes are in circulation in the amounts they are in multiplayer is bc of private bots. So i think a better solution if u wanted parity, not that it would ever happen, would be to actually address botting on b.net

I don't think there really should be parity tho, the disadvantages of not having access to trading seem like core features of singleplayer imo

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 1 day ago

A single player is expected to find 100% of items which make their characters able to participate in end game content.

Sorry, isn't that kinda the point I think you're better off playing b.net than having the multiplayer experience emulated in singleplayer. It seems kinda natural that things like the chronicle & high-end runewords are going to be way harder to reach? I think if you're playing the game to complete those things maybe singleplayer is not for you

(also no, blizzard is not going to ban u for editing an offline save ^^)

Got to love when people assert that a corporation will never uphold their terms of service which do not distinguish between SP or MP when they state you are in contravention of said TOS if you use 3rd party programs. Only takes one program they deem a problem and that lack of enforcement could end tomorrow.
Yeah they don't care that you used Hero Editor if some Clod uses something that embarrasses the company or conflicts with the companies politics or makes some money from their game......etc.... the reason they decide to enforce is not for you to decide or predict because you agreed to the terms.

AS I've explained a few times now: SP CAN'T 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% CAN NOT complete a task in the game. BLIZZARD SCREWED THE POOCH and introduced an impossibility to the game as a Challenge for the players. You can find 100% of set Items you only need one of each even the 1:14,000,000 chance to drop on the four MOBS who are high enough level to drop one

Windforce you ONLY need ONE of Uniques but Runewords you need SEVERAL of the runes it's nearly miraculous to see the first drop of.

ChaoticShortbus wrote: 12 hours ago

Wow, you mad bro? I didnt say change the game. All i said is that “ i see what hes saying” no need to get so worked up over it. (Biz)

Nah that wasn't meant to be directed towards you at all. I was just quoting the string and replying to the OP, that's all. It was just a misunderstanding, that's all. No hard feelings?

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 14 hours ago

@Bizington

Making a proposed solution to the impossible with something which absolutely needs you to play A FUCKING LOT is not cheating nor is it about wanting the game handed to you on a plater.

Sorry to say but your rant just makes you sound like a troll wanting to post a bunch of shit which doesn't address the issue. You're even saying CHEAT don't play the fucking game Cheat but delude yourself into thinking it's playing. you know where you can ram your rant right?

No, where? Do tell.

Here's been my rule for general SP playthrough. You have to be strict on this one else it ruins the fun.

Since the only way to to get high runes is from cubing-up or finding them. You should also be able to break them down to lower tiers but at 1:1 value.

Let's say i found a

Cham and a

Zod. I don't partcularly need any of these ATM so I then feed those to

Charsi, then go to hero editor and get a

Jah and a

Ber.

No other uses for hero-editor other than that.

This complain about rune drop rate and Chronical progress is strange.

You have to understand, rune drop rate and Chronical maker is different designer . And there is no balance adjustmenter between them.

The chronicle maker you see. He/She is just want to design a state that shows all collection is done. He/She doesnt think about balance (or doesnt have to ).

And rune drop rate designer doesnt even know someone will make chronicle recorder like that.

Let's say, I am future designer, and I make impossible task chronicles, like 1000

Zod challenge (one of 100 mission). Do you have to do it follow by game designer's will? It is just another color of town portal. In future, if everyone get that color , it will be same like blue one. Everyone has that.

Heeeyyyy wrote: 6 hours ago

Here's been my rule for general SP playthrough. You have to be strict on this one else it ruins the fun.

Since the only way to to get high runes is from cubing-up or finding them. You should also be able to break them down to lower tiers but at 1:1 value.

Let's say i found a

Cham and a

Zod. I don't partcularly need any of these ATM so I then feed those to

Charsi, then go to hero editor and get a

Jah and a

Ber.

No other uses for hero-editor other than that.

remember, single player is your world. You should be able to make any rule that you think it is fun.

Like me, I like to make, everytime , I get a

Jah, it will able to increase my weapon max damage by 1 or increase 1 kind of on struck spell to your armor start from lv 1.

Every time you get another

Jah, it can level up spell from 1 to 2.

it is call manually d3 ehchant program.

Bizington wrote: 14 hours ago

Dragoneyes001 wrote: 16 hours ago

Bizington wrote: 20 hours ago

I agree. I do not think there is any Elephant in the room with these game modes compared to one another.

As others have mentioned, the trade off is get /players8 or whatever count you want.

Personally, I play SSF on PSN so I do not have the option of editing my save games without a hassle (imo, it's easy, just tedious).

However, I do use Maxroll to "test" builds before I go out and spend 10

Jah on a bunk build.

With all that being said - imho the game modes are balanced for good reasons.

There is also a reason why they call it SSF or Offline Single Player.

Anyway, I've spent too much time on this thread, but it is neat to see what ppl's ideas are.

Everyone keeps referring to P8 as if its some Comparison to this subject. Which it isn't. I can throw the exact same logic you all seem quick to toss at this "Hero edit to 99" why would you need Player count at all it's single player!

Oh! Hmmm Yeah the basis of your disagreement is just as easily dismissed if you just cheat past it.

What I've not heard from anyone is besides Not playing the game and cheating how do you expect to get Several

Ber a few

Cham and a few

Zod to complete the 100% Runewords? because its not actually possible even with insane amounts of grinding. <<< This is trying to play the game as it's intended Currently.

Ok I wasn't going to bite, but every day there seems to be a post from someone about how this game is bad in some way.

How do you farm those runes in SSF?
YOU PLAY THE FUCKING GAME!

It's really that simple.

Also SSF is almost considered to be a life-long grind. Not a "I'll pick up the DLC and get all the trophies by the next DLC".
THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME.

Over 2 decades... over 20 YEARS most of of have been playing, straight through, or on and off, for that long.
I still have yet to find my first natural SoJ in SSF and when I do it's gonna be amazing.

So many people in such a rush to finish an unfinishable game.

It's Dungeons and Dragons with a GUI instead of Pen & Paper.

If you don't like the grind, this isn't your game. Period.

And the /players8 is the exact comparison.
Online has Trades and Party Play
SSF/Offline has /players8 command instead.

Play the game for the experience, not the "trophies" and you'll have a lot more fun.

And cheating? I play on PSN so I do not have the option to edit those files as I stated. And what ppl are saying is just "pretend" you are trading with yourself. Toss some

Perfect Amethyst on the Ground and give yourself an

Ist rune. Idk. There's literally plenty of shit out there to edit your files FOR FREE and IS NOT against TOS as long as you aren't server hacking Blizzard, which I would wish no one here is doing.

Fire up an Assassin or a Sorc.
Go to LK during TZ's
Open Super Chests
Get rich
Stop complaining
Have more fun


But holy shit does someone have to come into these forums everyday to shit on this game?
If you don't like it, don't play it.
Huh?
Ik people who don't like chess. I love chess. I never see them on my chess forums saying "we need to change the game of chess so it better suits me!"

Get outta here with that.

Either farm up LK and Trav, don't play SSF, mock trade with yourself, or find another game, we all say this like every fucking day.

I shld just stay off the forums for a while.

I'm gonna expect some push back from my reply.

This sums it nicely. SSF Offline is a "lifetime" project. A marathon, not a sprint. Each top drop brings you so much satisfaction. You can ignore the bullshit economy and enjoy the game where the 'OP' runewords are very well deserved and you may wait YEARS to get together the runes AND bases.

YES it is GRIND and RNG. But to me these are the very foundation of fun with looting and improving my characters to godly levels BY MYSELF ONLY.

I only wish the chronicles could count the RW and Uniques I got and found prior I am talking Last Wish,

Tyrael's Might level...