Economy Dynamics before New Season

This is my first time back to D2 during a ladder reset. I am more addicted to this game than I have ever been in the past 25 years. Due to my trade experiences over the past 2 months, I have noticed a precipitous drop in the interest in trades which I feel is causing prices to drop. I speculate that this is because ladder content will move to non-ladder so all players get an influx of new non-ladder content. Is this accurate? If so, when do prices start to climb again? Or is this as voliatile as the U.S. Economy? (*kappa*)

Raidux wrote: 1 day ago

This is my first time back to D2 during a ladder reset. I am more addicted to this game than I have ever been in the past 25 years. Due to my trade experiences over the past 2 months, I have noticed a precipitous drop in the interest in trades which I feel is causing prices to drop. I speculate that this is because ladder content will move to non-ladder so all players get an influx of new non-ladder content. Is this accurate? If so, when do prices start to climb again? Or is this as voliatile as the U.S. Economy? (*kappa*)

No clue. But I'm happy you're enjoying the game!

Raidux wrote: 1 day ago

This is my first time back to D2 during a ladder reset. I am more addicted to this game than I have ever been in the past 25 years. Due to my trade experiences over the past 2 months, I have noticed a precipitous drop in the interest in trades which I feel is causing prices to drop. I speculate that this is because ladder content will move to non-ladder so all players get an influx of new non-ladder content. Is this accurate? If so, when do prices start to climb again? Or is this as voliatile as the U.S. Economy? (*kappa*)

U.S. Economy is extremely positive and already too good to be true.

the trade interest here , it is because of people not feel any new things and start to leave game.
Afterall it is one monster and new jewel , charm. that's all. For some, it maybe 1 warlock that most people finish suit up in 1 month. then there is nothing more to play.


The other problem is some trade, people still think in old world pricing and make it too expensive.
In new rotw, low rune is 100 - 140 =

Ist to keep reasonable selling. or 100-140junk jewel =

Ist
In LoD , even it drop some value, it will be 70-100 low rune =

Ist or 70-100 junk jewel =

Ist

It is because rotw provide 100 space for everyone , some LoD trade may still remain 30-70 due to space problem.

As for other rare yellow item and old LoD uniques,

Crown of Ages, griffon . People still pricing too high and low demand.
My prediction is that people will realize it is very hard market around 2-6 season, price will drop very slow to where it suppose to be.

You can consider warlock shock spike is finish , it is long mature slow drop period.

Ladder seems to me a contained bubble economically.

Non-ladder RotW is inflated in comparison, per usual. It's not a bad thing, really. That dynamic makes sense if you consider it.

I think trading

Jah for everything these days is a little much and it's likely due to numerous variables overlapping. Mass farming HRs, several years into non-ladder, it will generally stay more inflated, consider that decent gear will proliferate more overtime and runes will inevitably stack up, driving their value down somewhat.

The biggest and most dramatic swings are all related to warlock equipment and the supply vs demand. It was crazy high to begin with and came down over a few months. That figures as well. I suppose we'll have to keep an eye on things and see how they settle down.

ReinardusVulpes wrote: 14 hours ago

Ladder seems to me a contained bubble economically.

Non-ladder RotW is inflated in comparison, per usual. It's not a bad thing, really. That dynamic makes sense if you consider it.

I think trading

Jah for everything these days is a little much and it's likely due to numerous variables overlapping. Mass farming HRs, several years into non-ladder, it will generally stay more inflated, consider that decent gear will proliferate more overtime and runes will inevitably stack up, driving their value down somewhat.

The biggest and most dramatic swings are all related to warlock equipment and the supply vs demand. It was crazy high to begin with and came down over a few months. That figures as well. I suppose we'll have to keep an eye on things and see how they settle down.

Well, back in the day, the 90 day log in quota would serve a great purpose for cleaning out all the forgotten about characters and accounts with tons of gear (like me, lots of times) which kept the economy pretty stable and thriving. Now that the quota has been removed, NL has nothing to help remove runes and gear from the game.. that' s definitely my perspective: NL needs a Wealth sink so that gear and runes don't just continue to stack up endlessly

ajgibbens1805 wrote: 13 hours ago

Well, back in the day, the 90 day log in quota would serve a great purpose for cleaning out all the forgotten about characters and accounts with tons of gear (like me, lots of times) which kept the economy pretty stable and thriving. Now that the quota has been removed, NL has nothing to help remove runes and gear from the game.. that' s definitely my perspective: NL needs a Wealth sink so that gear and runes don't just continue to stack up endlessly

Agreed. It is only reasonable that after a couple years, the market will eventually reach a saturation state. It's as if a trading card game never released new cards.

ajgibbens1805 wrote: 13 hours ago

ReinardusVulpes wrote: 14 hours ago

Ladder seems to me a contained bubble economically.

Non-ladder RotW is inflated in comparison, per usual. It's not a bad thing, really. That dynamic makes sense if you consider it.

I think trading

Jah for everything these days is a little much and it's likely due to numerous variables overlapping. Mass farming HRs, several years into non-ladder, it will generally stay more inflated, consider that decent gear will proliferate more overtime and runes will inevitably stack up, driving their value down somewhat.

The biggest and most dramatic swings are all related to warlock equipment and the supply vs demand. It was crazy high to begin with and came down over a few months. That figures as well. I suppose we'll have to keep an eye on things and see how they settle down.

Well, back in the day, the 90 day log in quota would serve a great purpose for cleaning out all the forgotten about characters and accounts with tons of gear (like me, lots of times) which kept the economy pretty stable and thriving. Now that the quota has been removed, NL has nothing to help remove runes and gear from the game.. that' s definitely my perspective: NL needs a Wealth sink so that gear and runes don't just continue to stack up endlessly

That is for people not think accuracy.

For example, Grief, there are two version of this,

Phase Blade,

Berserk

Axe.

Berserker Axe , you need get sup 15% first then start making 40 ias 400 . After you finish it, if for ww bar. you need 2.
This part alone, you will spend like 100

Jah.

Nova Infinity sorc. and perfect cta. perfect Spirit.

in the end, it can achieve but not everyone.

That Grief damage do matter , 395 vs 400 is 5 max min charm. It is worth reroll.
And Infinity resistance reduction also worth it.
Spirit fcr.

Something else may rethink, Doom, Phoenix shield, flickerflame. Those are less important.


Of course, it is okay for people just relax and play slightly weaker version suit up. It is similar to play char without charm in inventory.
charm performance is not that big. most of time, space bring more enjoyment of self finding . If you value self finding more than market value.
Like I find unique

Thundergod's Vigor, it is very good equipment, happy with that. That kind of thinking.

OP - just play the damn game you'll be fine.

As soon as you go down the rabbit hole on values you start losing it.

If i want to make some good trades this year in order to get me my golden portal. When and what do i sell then? Do i get more if i sell stuff before dropping out of the season because no one will buy that stuff outside season? Or are there items that will become much more valuable when dropping in non-ladder, because you get more runes in this inflated state of non-ladder? Im especially thinking of perfect rolled items .

Greys_Prey_Two wrote: 9 hours ago

If i want to make some good trades this year in order to get me my golden portal. When and what do i sell then? Do i get more if i sell stuff before dropping out of the season because no one will buy that stuff outside season? Or are there items that will become much more valuable when dropping in non-ladder, because you get more runes in this inflated state of non-ladder? Im especially thinking of perfect rolled items .

It depends on where you want to play later on.
If you want continue play ladder, you will need to convert good stuff into real currency or jsp fg .
The ladder

Jah is different value than non ladder. Of course you can get more rune in non ladder but if you think in that way....it is good to wait and sell them in non ladder.

The other thing, if you wish to continue next ladder, that means best solution is convert all your current runes into real currency.
Because if you dont do it. After ladder become non ladder, the real world price drop a lot. it makes ladder

Jah become non ladder

Jah. It is not same value.
And also, LoD rune value is different from rotw rune value. It is higher. But difference may change and relatively small...

==Your answer==
Convert rune into fg or real world currency, value your item in ladder / non ladder, see which side offer more value in 'real world' currency. Decide its fate.

The viable path is you sell everything into real world currency, and if next season start, you use it to buy everything in ladder.

However, if your target is just portal, it means you can do it in non ladder. It will be easier. Just convert everything to what you need. and trade it carefully.

leox wrote: 11 hours ago

ajgibbens1805 wrote: 13 hours ago

ReinardusVulpes wrote: 14 hours ago

Ladder seems to me a contained bubble economically.

Non-ladder RotW is inflated in comparison, per usual. It's not a bad thing, really. That dynamic makes sense if you consider it.

I think trading

Jah for everything these days is a little much and it's likely due to numerous variables overlapping. Mass farming HRs, several years into non-ladder, it will generally stay more inflated, consider that decent gear will proliferate more overtime and runes will inevitably stack up, driving their value down somewhat.

The biggest and most dramatic swings are all related to warlock equipment and the supply vs demand. It was crazy high to begin with and came down over a few months. That figures as well. I suppose we'll have to keep an eye on things and see how they settle down.

Well, back in the day, the 90 day log in quota would serve a great purpose for cleaning out all the forgotten about characters and accounts with tons of gear (like me, lots of times) which kept the economy pretty stable and thriving. Now that the quota has been removed, NL has nothing to help remove runes and gear from the game.. that' s definitely my perspective: NL needs a Wealth sink so that gear and runes don't just continue to stack up endlessly

That is for people not think accuracy.

For example, Grief, there are two version of this,

Phase Blade,

Berserk

Axe.

Berserker Axe , you need get sup 15% first then start making 40 ias 400 . After you finish it, if for ww bar. you need 2.
This part alone, you will spend like 100

Jah.

Nova Infinity sorc. and perfect cta. perfect Spirit.

in the end, it can achieve but not everyone.

That Grief damage do matter , 395 vs 400 is 5 max min charm. It is worth reroll.
And Infinity resistance reduction also worth it.
Spirit fcr.

Something else may rethink, Doom, Phoenix shield, flickerflame. Those are less important.


Of course, it is okay for people just relax and play slightly weaker version suit up. It is similar to play char without charm in inventory.
charm performance is not that big. most of time, space bring more enjoyment of self finding . If you value self finding more than market value.
Like I find unique

Thundergod's Vigor, it is very good equipment, happy with that. That kind of thinking.

Sure, but my point is that unless you are selling

Charsi all your non-perfect items, those items are still floating around the servers, overall bloating the item base and causing inflation. I personally do not think many people are vendoring all their non-perfect roll items and instead trade them away or give em away in Free Games.

Salid wrote: 12 hours ago

ajgibbens1805 wrote: 13 hours ago

Well, back in the day, the 90 day log in quota would serve a great purpose for cleaning out all the forgotten about characters and accounts with tons of gear (like me, lots of times) which kept the economy pretty stable and thriving. Now that the quota has been removed, NL has nothing to help remove runes and gear from the game.. that' s definitely my perspective: NL needs a Wealth sink so that gear and runes don't just continue to stack up endlessly

Agreed. It is only reasonable that after a couple years, the market will eventually reach a saturation state. It's as if a trading card game never released new cards.

It's like the exact definition and a great example for inflation LMAO xD Maybe they should add a 6 month log in quota or 12 month, otherwise your account-wide bank tabs (shared/gems/runes/keys etc) get wiped. That would definitely create a Wealth sink! xD

Inflation = increase in [ money (rune) supply * velocity ], given a fixed pie.

What happened with RotW is the spend by the diablo "rich" increased on non GG items for the warlock class specifically, which then distributed Wealth more evenly, as many of those items were found by the poor & middle class.

A more even distribution of Wealth results in a higher velocity (and thus inflation), as the poor and middle class spend a larger portion of their savings than the rich, especially on non GG-gear.

It also resulted in deflation on GG non-warlock gear such as GG CoA, 20-5, 3-20-20 due primarily to the rich spending on WL gear versus the GG gear they purchased in the past, and also due to the relative rune Wealth of the rich going down.

Separately, there is constant inflation pressure over time as bots discover more and more runes.

All that said, there is close to zero inflation on non-WL stuff. Across everything including WL you could say there is inflation as far as average rune spend by player over a given period of time.

varangium wrote: 16 minutes ago

All that said, there is close to zero inflation on non-WL stuff.

Right now, there is lots of deflation on non-Warlock stuff like non-Warlock life skillers and "old" stuff that got new competitors, like facets and Arachs.