are key drops broken?

I guess you jump jump out of 0

Key drop bug glitch.

It is from time to time, there is a zero drop happen sometime.

My personal guess is that server maintain total

Key count, if someone use it, it could drop elsewhere. [uber legend]

thebleh wrote: 13 hours ago

Are you sure your loot filters aren't hiding them? The chances of not getting any in that many runs are lower than 1%...

I've done over 150+ summoner without any

Key drop lol, i know my filter isn't hiding it cause i didn't changed it from last time i seen 1 drop

QCElysiums wrote: 6 hours ago

thebleh wrote: 13 hours ago

Are you sure your loot filters aren't hiding them? The chances of not getting any in that many runs are lower than 1%...

I've done over 150+ summoner without any

Key drop lol, i know my filter isn't hiding it cause i didn't changed it from last time i seen 1 drop

I only have keys from

The Summoner… like four of them and I don’t even do

Key runs

StoBeast wrote: 6 hours ago

QCElysiums wrote: 6 hours ago

thebleh wrote: 13 hours ago

Are you sure your loot filters aren't hiding them? The chances of not getting any in that many runs are lower than 1%...

I've done over 150+ summoner without any

Key drop lol, i know my filter isn't hiding it cause i didn't changed it from last time i seen 1 drop

I only have keys from

The Summoner… like four of them and I don’t even do

Key runs

I just dropped one, after 150+ runs xD

I got a

Key off

The Countess just yesterday so who knows!

As a casual player, who only do summoner "run" while it waits the garbage to sell...
I have found a lot of keys and every time it was sold for 8

Perfect Gems in a few minutes. In every 10-12 runs (TBH I clear the whole map in hope I find flawless gems and some runes) I find a key or two. But never seen a double key drop there. Nodrop, or trash drop is common, but my only

The Stone of Jordan came from the (non terrorized) Summoner as well.

leox wrote: 6 hours ago

I guess you jump jump out of 0

Key drop bug glitch.

It is from time to time, there is a zero drop happen sometime.

My personal guess is that server maintain total

Key count, if someone use it, it could drop elsewhere. [uber legend]

Please give a source for this "bug". Otherwise I'll claim that it's just bad luck.

The odds getting no

Key from

Nihlathak in 90 runs is 0.04%.

That means, this happens to one plaer for every 2.500 doing

Key runs.

How many people are playing d2r? How many are running keys? How many will have that experience?

Correct! Many.

It happens. Just continue and the

Key will drop. Just as it did for OP.

brentrox wrote: 14 hours ago

I am on a generational run of 90+

Nihlathak's runs with no keys. and also done 30+ of countess and summoner with zero. It's broken right??!?!

I feel you, but here's an example of how it works in Diablo.

You go out looking for a specific item explicitly, like a D-

Key. You run Nilathak like crazy, find nothing.

Then, some days later, his zone gets terrorized, you just want to farm a little bit, maybe trigger a

Herald or whatever.

You dont look out for anything, you run his area, at last, you kill Nilathak.

He drops 3 keys at once, happened to me yesterday.

It is how it is

vued wrote: 5 hours ago

Please give a source for this "bug". Otherwise I'll claim that it's just bad luck.

The odds getting no

Key from

Nihlathak in 90 runs is 0.04%.

That means, this happens to one plaer for every 2.500 doing

Key runs.

How many people are playing d2r? How many are running keys? How many will have that experience?

Correct! Many.

It happens. Just continue and the

Key will drop. Just as it did for OP.

The bug I feel it happen is based on the code, it is use c++ random seed in server side.

The random seed is not actually random. Hence it is not 0.04% if you know how to produce that issue.

The way I try to avoid it is use different server, its seed will be different based on time, server difference.

In the end, if you know how to create a lot of keys (good luck) and avoid that

Key problem, you can further reduce that 0.04% to something like 0.01%.

The way I create

Key is usually to see if I can get

Key in 6 run, if not, I stop and play it another day or different server.

d2r's random is not uniform, means statistical record cant be trust. if you happen do a lot things in certain random seed. there will be cluster effect.

--
The fact is that we all know there is 'bad luck' bug over there. That we can do is play around it . Even if developer knows it and everyone knows , it doesnt change a thing. As long as there is working part, it wont change.

leox wrote: 1 hour ago

vued wrote: 5 hours ago

Please give a source for this "bug". Otherwise I'll claim that it's just bad luck.

The odds getting no

Key from

Nihlathak in 90 runs is 0.04%.

That means, this happens to one plaer for every 2.500 doing

Key runs.

How many people are playing d2r? How many are running keys? How many will have that experience?

Correct! Many.

It happens. Just continue and the

Key will drop. Just as it did for OP.

The bug I feel it happen is based on the code, it is use c++ random seed in server side.

The random seed is not actually random. Hence it is not 0.04% if you know how to produce that issue.

The way I try to avoid it is use different server, its seed will be different based on time, server difference.

In the end, if you know how to create a lot of keys (good luck) and avoid that

Key problem, you can further reduce that 0.04% to something like 0.01%.

The way I create

Key is usually to see if I can get

Key in 6 run, if not, I stop and play it another day or different server.

d2r's random is not uniform, means statistical record cant be trust. if you happen do a lot things in certain random seed. there will be cluster effect.

--
The fact is that we all know there is 'bad luck' bug over there. That we can do is play around it . Even if developer knows it and everyone knows , it doesnt change a thing. As long as there is working part, it wont change.

Yeah, I know how pseudo random number generators work.
If there really is a bug, this could maybe impact very rare drops but not a 1 in 12 chance

Key drop.

Just to clarify: Do you have a source for your claim? Has this been confirmed by Blizzard, by code check, or is it reliably reproducable?

And this server bug, that you claim exists, does it impact the server (i.e. no keys for nobody playing), only single players, or only single characters?

As you're running the expansion, maybe the loot filter is mis-configured to hide the keys?

I'm also farming these keys a lot and I don't believe it to be any different than before RotW. Sometimes not a single drop for 30-50 runs, then suddenly a dual

Key drop

vued wrote: 26 minutes ago

leox wrote: 1 hour ago

vued wrote: 5 hours ago

Please give a source for this "bug". Otherwise I'll claim that it's just bad luck.

The odds getting no

Key from

Nihlathak in 90 runs is 0.04%.

That means, this happens to one plaer for every 2.500 doing

Key runs.

How many people are playing d2r? How many are running keys? How many will have that experience?

Correct! Many.

It happens. Just continue and the

Key will drop. Just as it did for OP.

The bug I feel it happen is based on the code, it is use c++ random seed in server side.

The random seed is not actually random. Hence it is not 0.04% if you know how to produce that issue.

The way I try to avoid it is use different server, its seed will be different based on time, server difference.

In the end, if you know how to create a lot of keys (good luck) and avoid that

Key problem, you can further reduce that 0.04% to something like 0.01%.

The way I create

Key is usually to see if I can get

Key in 6 run, if not, I stop and play it another day or different server.

d2r's random is not uniform, means statistical record cant be trust. if you happen do a lot things in certain random seed. there will be cluster effect.

--
The fact is that we all know there is 'bad luck' bug over there. That we can do is play around it . Even if developer knows it and everyone knows , it doesnt change a thing. As long as there is working part, it wont change.

Yeah, I know how pseudo random number generators work.
If there really is a bug, this could maybe impact very rare drops but not a 1 in 12 chance

Key drop.

Just to clarify: Do you have a source for your claim? Has this been confirmed by Blizzard, by code check, or is it reliably reproducable?

And this server bug, that you claim exists, does it impact the server (i.e. no keys for nobody playing), only single players, or only single characters?

let's say if you are QA of blizzard, the only way to issue trouble about random seed problem is based on massive player observation.

And if amount is big enough and if you lucky enough to find the problem. There is no way for developer to fix it.

And it is server issue. Since I am player, what I really care is to avoid this trap and do

Key run in normal random seed, not special bad luck one.

Even if there is way to proof it, I am not going to help blizzard's QA job. And I feel blizzard doesnt want people to raise this issue. Not all problem need to be fix if it sometimes works not broken all the time.