Your TZ Boss performance

oOKIWIOo wrote: 2 days ago

Duriel: ca. 15-25 (of course highly dependent on getting the right tomb)

Diablo: ca. 12-15

You can do more Duriels than Diablos? I find it hard to believe.

It's definitely possible in single-player - teleporting to/through

Chaos Sanctuary, popping seals, killing spawned elites and waiting for Diablo to spawn takes a while, when (with proper tomb map) you could get to

Duriel in, maybe, half a minute or less?

LizardWizard wrote: 6 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 2 days ago

Duriel: ca. 15-25 (of course highly dependent on getting the right tomb)

Diablo: ca. 12-15

You can do more Duriels than Diablos? I find it hard to believe.

The problem is that my "unoptimized" Cold Sorc (with full MF and no CSD gear) needs some time to clear the seals and seal bosses - at least if you do not want to risk beeing killed. With

Duriel,

Andariel and

Mephisto I can immediately snipe the boss.

When I got time and Diablo is TZ I will try again with my full cold damage gear.
I really want to keep my

Opalvein (5/8/3/2), but offers are now at 20

Jah and my flesh is getting weaker and weaker...

oOKIWIOo wrote: 2 days ago

I really want to keep my

Opalvein (5/8/3/2), but offers are now at 20

Jah and my flesh is getting weaker and weaker...

Sell! Prices of new items are insanely high due to novelty factor, ride the wave before market normalizes

LizardWizard wrote: 6 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 2 days ago

Duriel: ca. 15-25 (of course highly dependent on getting the right tomb)

Diablo: ca. 12-15

You can do more Duriels than Diablos? I find it hard to believe.

Makes sense though as that comes down to the build really.

Duriel is an easy run to maximize but then runs into a "travel distance and random maps"-limitation which you can hit with relatively crap gear in solid builds or mid gear in even mid builds, so long as you have

Teleport.
CS on the other hand has brilliantly low travel times but to maximize the speed inside takes a lot better gear/a better build than

Duriel runs, simply because CS mobs are more tanky, there are more of them to kill along the way and Dia is again more tanky than

Duriel.

Basically, starting from scratch, with little gear (but

Teleport),

Duriel runs should be way faster than CS. As gear and build progress, they start to even out and after a certain point (which is a different level of gear quality needed depending on the build) Dia starts to pull ahead significantly.

sewcioj wrote: 6 hours ago

It's definitely possible in single-player - teleporting to/through

Chaos Sanctuary, popping seals, killing spawned elites and waiting for Diablo to spawn takes a while, when (with proper tomb map) you could get to

Duriel in, maybe, half a minute or less?

Okay, I did not count single player, since I didnt play single player in last 20 years or so. So, in singleplayer you have same maps, right? And you know where

Duriel is, while in normal battle net game you dont know in which tomb he resides, so either you have to take

Arcane Sanctuary first (and then again, you dont know where Summoner is) to determine the tomb, or just guess and be lucky.

Now I have 96 lvl warlock, all skillers,

Apocalypse level 55... it is easy to do

Chaos Sanctuary in one minute, or minute and half if I like to kill more unhappy dudes who vainly try to protect the big guy. But that

Duriel... I think I am able to do like 5 or 7 during that half an hour.... thats why I could not understand it... but if its singleplayer, then yeah, it makes sense.

PS: Got ONE

Korlic Pain from

Duriel, one from

Andariel (thank you kindly, devilish damsel!) while something like 8 statues from Diablo... now I am saving worldstone shards for act 2 and I ll just brute force it one day...

LizardWizard wrote: 4 hours ago

Now I have 96 lvl warlock, all skillers,

Apocalypse level 55... it is easy to do

Chaos Sanctuary in one minute, or minute and half if I like to kill more unhappy dudes who vainly try to protect the big guy. But that

Duriel... I think I am able to do like 5 or 7 during that half an hour.... thats why I could not understand it... but if its singleplayer, then yeah, it makes sense.

I am not on SP, but as I have said: I have to be way more cautious with my Sorc in CS. Teleporting in a dense mob of

Oblivion Knight and/or

Megademon with Might and/or

Fanaticism aura is not a desirable spot for a

Glacial Spike/Blizzard Sorc

LizardWizard wrote: 4 hours ago

Okay, I did not count single player, since I didnt play single player in last 20 years or so. So, in singleplayer you have same maps, right? And you know where

Duriel is, while in normal battle net game you dont know in which tomb he resides, so either you have to take

Arcane Sanctuary first (and then again, you dont know where Summoner is) to determine the tomb, or just guess and be lucky.

I don't play SP either, only online, but yeah - your maps stay the same all the time, unless you change difficulty (which resets them).

One thing that helps a liitle bit when farming

Duriel online, and don't want to run

Arcane Sanctuary, are the chests in fake tombs - if you get into a room with blue sparkling chest, you can immediately go to next tomb, because this one is fake. They tend be to pretty close to the entrance too, so if you're lucky with choosing your path go counter-clockwise (left) from the entrance tile and run into the chest, you can leave.

Also,

Ancient Kaa the Soulless spawn only in fake tombs, so if you see him - you can vacate the tomb too.

oOKIWIOo wrote: 4 hours ago

I am not on SP, but as I have said: I have to be way more cautious with my Sorc in CS. Teleporting in a dense mob of

Oblivion Knight and/or

Megademon with Might and/or

Fanaticism aura is not a desirable spot for a

Glacial Spike/Blizzard Sorc

Same - I've geared my Blizz sorc a bit more towards survivability at the cost of MF specifically because of dying multiple times in CS. That's also one of the reasons why I'm saving my shards for when devs improve drop rates for new sunder charms, so it's at least worth the risk Or when I get to lvl 98 on my sorc (im like 3/4 done), so there's no exp to lose.

No

Herald killed me so far (and I've encountered few lvl 5 ones), but since everyone is so scared of higher level ones, depending on the monster type/auras they spawn with, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Dying at that stage means losing few hours worth of experience, which REALLY hurts - especially for a semi-casual player like me.

what the hell... 25 Duriels... I salute you, sir.
Thanks everyone for the tips, although I know that thing about the chests or

Ancient Kaa the Soulless. Still, I cant make your

Duriel numbers, cant even get close to it, but

Chaos Sanctuary is piece of cake with my new warlock. That fire spell who pushes everyone away is a life saver.

I did die once, though. Unwittingly ported to some public game "City of Damned" portal and there was some beefed

Herald with his cohort.

I died instantly even before loading ended. That was just sad But lesson learned

hyeonsestoast wrote: 1 hour ago

Okay, Durance TZ came up. I lost count after 30 Meph kills. Must've been like... upper 40s. The reason I'm reporting this, though, is that I picked up exactly zero statues off this prolific run.

Grievous sorrows. Either the heaven weeps for me or cackles upon me.

LizardWizard wrote: 2 hours ago

I did die once, though. Unwittingly ported to some public game "City of Damned" portal and there was some beefed

Herald with his cohort.

I died instantly even before loading ended. That was just sad But lesson learned

Whoever opened that portal is a real jerk. Or maybe they warned the others but you joined after that message - but I've learned that, on the Internet, always assume maximal Malice.

Random point of "reference":
Used my necro for this one. New and improved, thanks to RotW additions (huzzah for those!) but still obviously nowhere near a proper sorc.
Started a bit late because I was still closing out another game which cost me at least 2 runs, if not 3-4.
Had to take 8 "stash breaks" due to drops not being entirely shitty, along with a quick bio break in between.
Got 8 excessively annoying wrap-around maps, 2 of which ended up with a center exit (ugh...). Only 1 actual speed map. The rest "average at best".
Ended up with 37 kills after all that. Not too bad for the circumstance I suppose but still definitely on the low end for a rotation.
Got 4 statues, finally ending my dry spell from yesterday, one of which ended up being an A2 so...no complaints there.

hyeonsestoast wrote: 1 hour ago

So you took all my statues. >:( It's only fair that you give up half of those.

While ~50 Meph kills in half an hour already feels OP, I feel like there's still room for improvement for my Warlock. Not the character himself - I as a player am simply not on friendly terms with Durance yet. I've always avoided the place like a Plague for the last 25 years. But now that I have a character who's both mobile enough (Enigma!) and tough enough (all the vit points from Enigma's strength!)... It's... not that bad? So I'll have to learn. Maybe I'll bully Meph even harder after that.

I actually quite dislike taking my lock into durance, compared to others.
There's always a risk down there that your merc blows up a doll in a drive-by which eventually wears you down. But with a lock, throwing in an overtuned hephasto on top of the merc, dolls are just blowing up left and right..first time in decades I actually came close to dying on my way to meph because the two of them decided to somehow take out half a pack while I tele'd through it.

For nearly everything else though, yeah, he's hard to beat. Or nigh impossible for anything but a sorc.

Btw, a further tradeoff for my Sorc is that I do use Chains of Honor instead of Enigma and therefore my movement speed in town is at best mediocre (especially noticeable for act 2+3). Maybe I try switching to 4 after I killed

Mephisto and start out there but then the loading time is increased...

oOKIWIOo wrote: 1 hour ago

Btw, a further tradeoff for my Sorc is that I do use Chains of Honor instead of Enigma and therefore my movement speed in town is at best mediocre (especially noticeable for act 2+3). Maybe I try switching to 4 after I killed

Mephisto and start out there but then the loading time is increased...

Run speed is no excuse, that's what

Telekinesis is for.

But yeah, you definitely want to shift to act 4. Unless your rig is just too dated/load times too long. As you

Teleport to meph, be sure you tele right across the platform so once he's dead, the way to the portal is already raised and you don't have to wait for that. Way faster than running the A3 path.