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I'm bashing together a build idea while I'm having fun with my ES Warlock. I've noticed that
Miasma Chain
procs from the Authority runeword doesn't care about casting delays (as it shouldn't). Figured that, if I combine that with another source of
Miasma Chain
procs like
Entropy Locket
and an attack that hits a lot really fast like
Mirrored Blades
, there might be something really funny there. Provided that Mirrored (Cross)bows procs just like standard
Mirrored Blades
, throwing in a source of piercing could result in a hideous number of procs.

Anyways, with that context through, I was considering putting Mist on a
Chu-Ko-Nu
, on the basis that it's 1) able to have 5 sockets, 2) has base speed of -60, and 3) is lighter than
Demon Crossbow
. But then that got me thinking - base speed of -60 is a silly value, but I don't remember
Demon Machine
being... actually that fast?

So here's a thread asking about this from more qualified minds because I think I have a fundamental misunderstanding of attack speeds and inherently slow weapons like crossbows. The meat of the question is "Is Mist in a
Chu-Ko-Nu
faster than Mist in a
Short Battle Bow
?" but some elaboration on how one should think of
Crossbow
attack speeds and the base speed trait would be nutritious, if someone could offer it. :o I wouldn't want to find out that a Mist
Chu-Ko-Nu
is actually ass only after I've committed a
Cham
and a
Gul
in it!
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I'm bashing together a build idea while I'm having fun with my ES Warlock. I've noticed that
Miasma Chain
procs from the Authority runeword doesn't care about casting delays (as it shouldn't). Figured that, if I combine that with another source of
Miasma Chain
procs like
Entropy Locket
and an attack that hits a lot really fast like
Mirrored Blades
, there might be something really funny there. Provided that Mirrored (Cross)bows procs just like standard
Mirrored Blades
, throwing in a source of piercing could result in a hideous number of procs.

Anyways, with that context through, I was considering putting Mist on a
Chu-Ko-Nu
, on the basis that it's 1) able to have 5 sockets, 2) has base speed of -60, and 3) is lighter than
Demon Crossbow
. But then that got me thinking - base speed of -60 is a silly value, but I don't remember
Demon Machine
being... actually that fast?

So here's a thread asking about this from more qualified minds because I think I have a fundamental misunderstanding of attack speeds and inherently slow weapons like crossbows. The meat of the question is "Is Mist in a
Chu-Ko-Nu
faster than Mist in a
Short Battle Bow
?" but some elaboration on how one should think of
Crossbow
attack speeds and the base speed trait would be nutritious, if someone could offer it. :o I wouldn't want to find out that a Mist
Chu-Ko-Nu
is actually ass only after I've committed a
Cham
and a
Gul
in it!
7
So Mist is ass anyways. Its gimmicky. I've got one on my frost maiden. Not terrible but not super fun game play either.
However, you need to make Mist for the chronicle. So why not with your plan?

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OP
The reason I settled on Mist (for now) is for the 100%
Pierce
chance and +3 All Skills. I don't expect this build to deal any physical damage (hence
Short Battle Bow
as an alternative), but I do want a total of +9 All Skills so I can see the 10-soft-points effects of several Warlock skills. :o
Buriza-Do Kyanon
also has 100%
Pierce
, but no All Skills. Alas!

The idea is to proc as many
Miasma Chain
as possible and invest into the skill itself's synergies, so I can reap the benefits of too many chains that don't obey the casting delay limit. The idea was that piercing attacks would proc it more often, which makes Mist rather attractive to me!

But given that that front of the build works, the other front is "how frequently can I attack?", which is why I'm wondering if it's better to blindly believe in
Chu-Ko-Nu
's -60 base attack speed or
Short Battle Bow
's ordinary but sensible speed...
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If your goal is to proc
Miasma Chain
as much as possible then
Chu-Ko-Nu
is your friend. You won't need much off hand ias to max frame rate. Since dmg isn't your primary, it's a good option.
I use
Demon Machine
(unique
Chu-Ko-Nu
) for my fire sorc and she only needs 10 offhand ias to max out.

I can trade DLC or non-DLC on both PC or xbox.

All my
Blood Ring
and
Caster Amulet
priced at
Ist
or below are now FREE.
7
OP
Aha. That is both good and sad to know, because I remember being frustrated by my enchantress's attack speed. XP

Should I understand
Chu-Ko-Nu
's -60 base attack speed as "turns an ungodly slow weapon to a bearably slow weapon"? Going back to the original question, it feels like I'm not understanding the meaning of this value properly.
7
OP
Hm! The script doesn't include
Mirrored Blades
yet. I remember reading that there's something weird happening with that skill's attack speed, like it's always attacking at the fastest speed?
7
The ias calculator here is a fork of warrens ias calculator, which is the single best ias calculator out there. He is still updating it for warlock. I recommend you wait to make this runeword until he updates it to v3.0
https://warren1001.github.io/IAS_Calculator/

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All my
Blood Ring
and
Caster Amulet
priced at
Ist
or below are now FREE.
7
OP
Or perhaps I could f around and find out on my own. 🤔 Mist's attack speed bonus can be simulated with a
Shael
and I can spare 2 of that.
7
OP
Okay, that testing was easier and clearer than I imagined. Shopped vendors until they had magic
Short Battle Bow
and
Chu-Ko-Nu
available and cubed them to be socketed. Bashed in a
Shael
in each to test with
Mirrored Blades
.

A 20% IAS
Chu-Ko-Nu
is blatantly faster than
Short Battle Bow
with the same quality. The difference is more drastic than I expected and nothing like how I remember my enchantress's fire speed being like. I wonder if it really is something weird happening with
Mirrored Blades
attack speed.

Knappogue, thanks for the tips and pointers! I feel like this is enough information to try for a Mist
Chu-Ko-Nu
and be really silly. I always wanted to try a Brand necro but this is probably cheaper.
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