Some of us really hate blizztard for what they've both done and become in the past years - imo a steady decline in both gamequality and connection to fans - and me personally refuse to spend 30€ on a dlc with a single class and no new real extra content , i think it's a moneygrab .
And now i've seen that the market as been split in two, the D2R and the RoTW playerbase, and the D2R trades has reduced SEVERELY compared to how it was in previous seasons pre-rotw , and it's now almost impossible to find anything to trade .... can't even find White items listed .
Imo they need to fix this so that D2R and RoTW can trade and share games, eventho D2R owners can't play the warlock.
We still share 99.9% of the same game, there's no new content .
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Some of us really hate blizztard for what they've both done and become in the past years - imo a steady decline in both gamequality and connection to fans - and me personally refuse to spend 30€ on a dlc with a single class and no new real extra content , i think it's a moneygrab .
And now i've seen that the market as been split in two, the D2R and the RoTW playerbase, and the D2R trades has reduced SEVERELY compared to how it was in previous seasons pre-rotw , and it's now almost impossible to find anything to trade .... can't even find White items listed .
Imo they need to fix this so that D2R and RoTW can trade and share games, eventho D2R owners can't play the warlock.
We still share 99.9% of the same game, there's no new content .
And now i've seen that the market as been split in two, the D2R and the RoTW playerbase, and the D2R trades has reduced SEVERELY compared to how it was in previous seasons pre-rotw , and it's now almost impossible to find anything to trade .... can't even find White items listed .
Imo they need to fix this so that D2R and RoTW can trade and share games, eventho D2R owners can't play the warlock.
We still share 99.9% of the same game, there's no new content .
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I can see your frustration about the price. The D2R base game has regularly been on discount for about 35% of the regular price. In a few weeks or months, RotW will definitely get a massive discount, too. (Maybe it'll be 8 or 10 €).
I think your suggestion to allow trade between d2r and d2r dlc makes no sense…
Thats why they have separate realms. Allowing one realm for both means bliz has to give free dlc updates (QoL, new uniques, rw etc) to d2r in general minus warlock class, how else would they make one realm that has all the QoL…
This post seems you are venting in frustrations due to the dlc trading community is exploding while the legacy d2r is taking a backseat, imo
I think instead of asking to combine both realms into one, wouldnt be better to just pay 25 dollars to just upgrade to the dlc? It just a measily 25 dollars.. that is just one overpriced dinner plate price in california
Thats why they have separate realms. Allowing one realm for both means bliz has to give free dlc updates (QoL, new uniques, rw etc) to d2r in general minus warlock class, how else would they make one realm that has all the QoL…
This post seems you are venting in frustrations due to the dlc trading community is exploding while the legacy d2r is taking a backseat, imo
I think instead of asking to combine both realms into one, wouldnt be better to just pay 25 dollars to just upgrade to the dlc? It just a measily 25 dollars.. that is just one overpriced dinner plate price in california
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I simply don't believe that Blizztard has earned the money, they haven't in many years.d2rppa69 wrote: 10 hours ago
I think instead of asking to combine both realms into one, wouldnt be better to just pay 25 dollars to just upgrade to the dlc? It just a measily 25 dollars.. that is just one overpriced dinner plate price in california
"Don't you guys have phones" was the final nail in the coffin, and it showed just how disconnected they were with the player community.
Remember this dlc takes time n resources, so expecting them to roll out for free is not possible. Hence they have 2 realms.
Regardless how disconnected they are, which is true, but what u mentioned were d3 immortal related event debacle
If you enjoy d2, definitely u should support them, at least the team behind d2r dlc…
So again, asking them to give free QoL minus warlock class to all d2r rez players is not doable…
Its either u enjoy and support, or move onto another arpg…
Regardless how disconnected they are, which is true, but what u mentioned were d3 immortal related event debacle
If you enjoy d2, definitely u should support them, at least the team behind d2r dlc…
So again, asking them to give free QoL minus warlock class to all d2r rez players is not doable…
Its either u enjoy and support, or move onto another arpg…
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Not sure what to make of this post - most people are trading on RotW because most people are playing RotW.
As for the price of the DLC being 'worth it' that will always be subjective. Personally I think 25 dollars is a very reasonable - bordering on generous even - price for what the DLC brings to the table!
As for the price of the DLC being 'worth it' that will always be subjective. Personally I think 25 dollars is a very reasonable - bordering on generous even - price for what the DLC brings to the table!
I'm the first to admit that I severely dislike nearly everything blizzard has done for years now. And very rarely do I still come to their defense on anything or feel they'd deserve it.
And even though I let myself get talked into shelling out for D4 in a drunken stupor, that one was most certainly just another disappointment and in no way worth the money.
That said, in this very particular instance, I still can't help but be very positively surprised by the new stuff.
Yes, it is utterly disappointing that it apparently didn't include a single f'in bug-fix to the long standing issues.
And yes, warlocks are OP AF and in dire need of balancing.
But what I for one was genuinely worried about was that if today's blizzard was to ever touch D2 again to expand upon it, they would inevitably ruin my favorite game of all time.
Hell, the only reason I ever bought D2:R to begin with was because they very specifically said they'll do nothing but update the appearance but otherwise stay fully true to the original game.
And yet, that fear of mine in this particular instance just hasn't come to fruition. And I have rarely been this happy to be proven wrong.
All of the QoL stuff does obviously change the interface and experience a bit but it is well within reason even for a "don't touch my game!" type like myself. And it is implemented in a very "fits in the game" manner. Is it all perfect? Of course not. But it does add something real that many have been asking for and without any significant distracting or negative impact. And that's a definite win.
Hell, after decades of pure D2 with no mods, even I today came to the realization that I kinda don't want to play without that stuff anymore.
And as far as the warlock is concerned, balance aside for a minute, it is almost shockingly "D2". I still say the visuals ended up a bit too modern and "overly polished" compared to the older stuff but not necessarily bad none the less. In terms of the actual feel and playstyle however, locks fit, act and feel just like you'd expect from a D2 class. And I'm still kind of amazed they managed to pull that off. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that in terms of "feel of play", warlocks now actually seemed like a more seamless addition than druids back in the day. Though that, too is of course subjective I guess.
Anywho, long story short, considering what they've pulled off here, which is to noticeably enhance and expand a decade old masterpiece without ruining it, $25 seems like a more than fair price imo. Yes, I know that for some, $25 is a lot more than for others but just viewing it relative to the modern-day pricing of random DLCs, "proper expansions" (rare as they are now) and full games, I wouldn't call it excessive. They (and many others) have sold a lot less for a lot more.
As for the trading, that's just the nature of it. You can't combine LoD and RotW for the same reason that we never got a combined Classic and LoD. LoD is now merely going the way of Classic as far as trading is concerned. There's no real way to avoid that while preserving LoD/pre-RotW as an option.
Just be glad LoD still has sunders for "abuse- Conversion" and (supposedly, I wouldn't know) still corners the bot market, meaning LoD is still a lot more active than Classic has ever been.
Realistically though, the more folks move on to RotW, the worse LoD trading will become. Especially if they do end up tuning Herald/sunder rates a bit to make the LoD- Conversion-cheese absurdity less of a thing.
And even though I let myself get talked into shelling out for D4 in a drunken stupor, that one was most certainly just another disappointment and in no way worth the money.
That said, in this very particular instance, I still can't help but be very positively surprised by the new stuff.
Yes, it is utterly disappointing that it apparently didn't include a single f'in bug-fix to the long standing issues.
And yes, warlocks are OP AF and in dire need of balancing.
But what I for one was genuinely worried about was that if today's blizzard was to ever touch D2 again to expand upon it, they would inevitably ruin my favorite game of all time.
Hell, the only reason I ever bought D2:R to begin with was because they very specifically said they'll do nothing but update the appearance but otherwise stay fully true to the original game.
And yet, that fear of mine in this particular instance just hasn't come to fruition. And I have rarely been this happy to be proven wrong.
All of the QoL stuff does obviously change the interface and experience a bit but it is well within reason even for a "don't touch my game!" type like myself. And it is implemented in a very "fits in the game" manner. Is it all perfect? Of course not. But it does add something real that many have been asking for and without any significant distracting or negative impact. And that's a definite win.
Hell, after decades of pure D2 with no mods, even I today came to the realization that I kinda don't want to play without that stuff anymore.
And as far as the warlock is concerned, balance aside for a minute, it is almost shockingly "D2". I still say the visuals ended up a bit too modern and "overly polished" compared to the older stuff but not necessarily bad none the less. In terms of the actual feel and playstyle however, locks fit, act and feel just like you'd expect from a D2 class. And I'm still kind of amazed they managed to pull that off. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that in terms of "feel of play", warlocks now actually seemed like a more seamless addition than druids back in the day. Though that, too is of course subjective I guess.
Anywho, long story short, considering what they've pulled off here, which is to noticeably enhance and expand a decade old masterpiece without ruining it, $25 seems like a more than fair price imo. Yes, I know that for some, $25 is a lot more than for others but just viewing it relative to the modern-day pricing of random DLCs, "proper expansions" (rare as they are now) and full games, I wouldn't call it excessive. They (and many others) have sold a lot less for a lot more.
As for the trading, that's just the nature of it. You can't combine LoD and RotW for the same reason that we never got a combined Classic and LoD. LoD is now merely going the way of Classic as far as trading is concerned. There's no real way to avoid that while preserving LoD/pre-RotW as an option.
Just be glad LoD still has sunders for "abuse- Conversion" and (supposedly, I wouldn't know) still corners the bot market, meaning LoD is still a lot more active than Classic has ever been.
Realistically though, the more folks move on to RotW, the worse LoD trading will become. Especially if they do end up tuning Herald/sunder rates a bit to make the LoD- Conversion-cheese absurdity less of a thing.
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FYI, Blizzard has never ever been good with communicating with their playerbase. Any long time D2 players remember well ladders lasting years. Not months..YEARS. And thousands of posts asking, pleading, begging for some kind of response went ignored.
I agree with Schnorki, the Warlock is really "D2", as if this could have been one of the original characters. My only gripe is I do not like the purple. Other than that, $25 for new character + QOL improvements was worth it.
Just the shortcuts and stacking of runes/gems alone was worth it. Cubing runes or gems is night & day difference from how it was done just days ago.
I agree with Schnorki, the Warlock is really "D2", as if this could have been one of the original characters. My only gripe is I do not like the purple. Other than that, $25 for new character + QOL improvements was worth it.
Just the shortcuts and stacking of runes/gems alone was worth it. Cubing runes or gems is night & day difference from how it was done just days ago.
Heck now a days you can't get a good hamburger for $25,So just skip 1 hamburger pay for the update that's just $ .83 cents a day for 1 month.
i'm flabbergasted by the amount of people complaining about the price of this update, when I can think of thousands of other things that cost 25$ that gave me way less enjoyment than this update
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I would gladly pay the price tag if it was possible to get the QOL in LOD.
ROTW on the other hand - I would not touch with a 10 ft pole. As Schnorki put it - I am a dont touch my game guy and giving me D3 in D2R is very off-putting.
I hate everything they added apart from the QOL stuff.
Trading may have become harder I suppose, but for Non ladder especially things went stale long before ROTW, so I dont blame it on the Xpac/DLC/ whatever you want to call that garbage.
ROTW on the other hand - I would not touch with a 10 ft pole. As Schnorki put it - I am a dont touch my game guy and giving me D3 in D2R is very off-putting.
I hate everything they added apart from the QOL stuff.
Trading may have become harder I suppose, but for Non ladder especially things went stale long before ROTW, so I dont blame it on the Xpac/DLC/ whatever you want to call that garbage.
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So besides QOL and a new class, youve got new runewords, new items, upgraded Terror zones and new uber encounter.
Why do you hate those things? I am just curious
New runewords - Never asked for them. The game itself doesnt even need them. I even put Mosaic and Cure in this category. I do like the Flame Helm though not going to lie.
New Items - The D3 aspect that somehow everybody missed. Lets introduce items that have 6 rows of VARIABLE stats. Make all items Tomb Reaver on shrooms.
Upgraded Terror zones - You call never seeing a sunder charm drop Upgraded? I don't.
New Uber encounter - The fight itself is probably cool. The reward at the end? 50-50 drop chance if you know which jewel you are hunting. and a further 6 stats that all vary. Good luck hunting the rolls.
Why do you like those things? I am also curious
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I love it, great for the price. All I hope is they adjust the TZ/Sunder Charm stuff as I was not trying to make a hydrorb sorc lol
On the runewords there will always be disputes. I think there could be more diversity and more good endgame alterantives (Enigma, Mosaic, Spirit, you name it).chokapyy wrote: 1 hour agoNew runewords - Never asked for them. The game itself doesnt even need them. I even put Mosaic and Cure in this category. I do like the Flame Helm though not going to lie.
New Items - The D3 aspect that somehow everybody missed. Lets introduce items that have 6 rows of VARIABLE stats. Make all items Tomb Reaver on shrooms.
Upgraded Terror zones - You call never seeing a sunder charm drop Upgraded? I don't.
New Uber encounter - The fight itself is probably cool. The reward at the end? 50-50 drop chance if you know which jewel you are hunting. and a further 6 stats that all vary. Good luck hunting the rolls.
Concerning the new Sunders and Jewels: Imo those items are mostly really icing on the cake (IF they bring back the older Sunder Charms!) and for me it is totally fine to (endlessly
) hunt for good/perfect rolls (like 20/20 torches before). What else should be the point in the endgame?
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it is something new after quarter of century. As for runewords - I am using the flame Helm, dont care about the rest.
As for new items, I took Boots for warlock, they are cute.
As per your response to upg. Terror zones I dont understand your reply.
Yes, the reward is 50/50 but that is not that bad, right? For torch is 1 out of 7, previously? I wont need luck hunting the rolls, I will be happy when the one for my element drops, could not care less about the rolls. then I will probably sell more statues to other players. I just need one (maybe two, for my 99 lvl sorc)
There will always be disputes on all matters. People are different.
That is my take on the expansion and I don't like it.
If you love it - more power to you.
That is my take on the expansion and I don't like it.
If you love it - more power to you.
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d2r old world trade is changed , yes.
And there are still difference in two world.
The thing you are look for, White base, they are move to new RotW world.
There still benefit in old world, like needs for low runes, Perfect Gems, Perfect Skull. Those things are very quick sell in old d2r.
And some thing have good sales , higher pricing in Perfect Amethyst. In RotW, people only need Perfect Amethyst and have much less need in Perfect Ruby and Perfect Skull...
This makes something you may think of. If you hunt for Perfect Gems only to sell...It might better to farm in old world and translate to RotW again. Perfect Gems and low runes can sell quick in old world. Some runes are lower pricing in Ist that is also possible to exchange them then go to RotW and re-sell again.
And rare jewel is pricing very high in old world, still okay pricing even now. And kind of worthless in new world (replace by new unique jewel). Even though the old d2r jewel trade value destroyed a lot but still better than current RotW. If you hunt a good jewel in Perfect Gems in old world, those can sell good with very slow rate (my guess , it is 2-4 month slower than old world trade speed). To get highest pricing , those item usually store in D2R and sell in both market. You dont know which buyer will show up in unreasonable pricing.
On the other part, there is also benefit to farm in new world. I saw some jewel sell at very high price just because needs. those unique jewel condition is soso and sell at 20 Jah. Compare to old rare jewel, of course it is very cheap...
Anyway, new thing in new world is very good pricing . As for effective farming, I will say buy RotW and farm Key of Hate and Baal, ignore all other content.
Perfect Gems farming is still better in old world but compare to Key of Hate and new things in Baal drop, it is not so good.
And there are still difference in two world.
The thing you are look for, White base, they are move to new RotW world.
There still benefit in old world, like needs for low runes, Perfect Gems, Perfect Skull. Those things are very quick sell in old d2r.
And some thing have good sales , higher pricing in Perfect Amethyst. In RotW, people only need Perfect Amethyst and have much less need in Perfect Ruby and Perfect Skull...
This makes something you may think of. If you hunt for Perfect Gems only to sell...It might better to farm in old world and translate to RotW again. Perfect Gems and low runes can sell quick in old world. Some runes are lower pricing in Ist that is also possible to exchange them then go to RotW and re-sell again.
And rare jewel is pricing very high in old world, still okay pricing even now. And kind of worthless in new world (replace by new unique jewel). Even though the old d2r jewel trade value destroyed a lot but still better than current RotW. If you hunt a good jewel in Perfect Gems in old world, those can sell good with very slow rate (my guess , it is 2-4 month slower than old world trade speed). To get highest pricing , those item usually store in D2R and sell in both market. You dont know which buyer will show up in unreasonable pricing.
On the other part, there is also benefit to farm in new world. I saw some jewel sell at very high price just because needs. those unique jewel condition is soso and sell at 20 Jah. Compare to old rare jewel, of course it is very cheap...
Anyway, new thing in new world is very good pricing . As for effective farming, I will say buy RotW and farm Key of Hate and Baal, ignore all other content.
Perfect Gems farming is still better in old world but compare to Key of Hate and new things in Baal drop, it is not so good.
Please be aware, all my trade is in non ladder d2r. Not warlock.
This guy here is exactly why Blizzard made the right call to separate the realms. The people who hate the DLC do not want to see the new items drop in their D2:R games, they do not want to encounter Warlocks in their public games, etc. Keeping the realms separated means everyone can enjoy the version they prefer. Even though I don't agree with his views of the DLC, I respect his opinion and (IMO) he has the right to keep playing the game as it was before RotW (barring some QoL - but some people do not even want that, they want the game to be as "pure", or close to the original, as possible).chokapyy wrote: 2 hours agoI would gladly pay the price tag if it was possible to get the QOL in LOD.
ROTW on the other hand - I would not touch with a 10 ft pole. As Schnorki put it - I am a dont touch my game guy and giving me D3 in D2R is very off-putting.
I hate everything they added apart from the QOL stuff.
Trading may have become harder I suppose, but for Non ladder especially things went stale long before ROTW, so I dont blame it on the Xpac/DLC/ whatever you want to call that garbage.
The effect on trading is unfortunate, but honestly something I don't think Blizzard gave much thought at all. Trading as it exists today, facilitated by third party sites (like diablo2.io, Traderie and d2jsp), is completely outside of the game itself. The effect of RotW on trading (and public games) is the same as LoD had on vanilla D2 back in the day 25 years ago. Classic is a ghost town, and LoD on D2R will end up there as well eventually. The ones who remain on LoD will mostly be purists or those who only play SSF/offline.
Side note: Yes, it would be awesome if they backported (at least some) of the QoL things to "legacy" D2:R, but again, some people do not want any changes that alter the core of the game (and rune stacking certainly does that, as it eliminates a lot of the stash tetris, which some argue is a core part of the game). This separation was the only way to make it possible to for people to choose. Was the price tag right for this? We're never going to agree here - some say yes, some say no.
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Furthermore - I am not recruiting, like most people are.ShadowHeart wrote: 21 minutes agoThis guy here is exactly why Blizzard made the right call to separate the realms. The people who hate the DLC do not want to see the new items drop in their D2:R games, they do not want to encounter Warlocks in their public games, etc. Keeping the realms separated means everyone can enjoy the version they prefer. Even though I don't agree with his views of the DLC, I respect his opinion and (IMO) he has the right to keep playing the game as it was before RotW (barring some QoL - but some people do not even want that, they want the game to be as "pure", or close to the original, as possible).chokapyy wrote: 2 hours agoI would gladly pay the price tag if it was possible to get the QOL in LOD.
ROTW on the other hand - I would not touch with a 10 ft pole. As Schnorki put it - I am a dont touch my game guy and giving me D3 in D2R is very off-putting.
I hate everything they added apart from the QOL stuff.
Trading may have become harder I suppose, but for Non ladder especially things went stale long before ROTW, so I dont blame it on the Xpac/DLC/ whatever you want to call that garbage.
The effect on trading is unfortunate, but honestly something I don't think Blizzard gave much thought at all. Trading as it exists today, facilitated by third party sites (like diablo2.io, Traderie and d2jsp), is completely outside of the game itself. The effect of RotW on trading (and public games) is the same as LoD had on vanilla D2 back in the day 25 years ago. Classic is a ghost town, and LoD on D2R will end up there as well eventually. The ones who remain on LoD will mostly be purists or those who only play SSF/offline.
Side note: Yes, it would be awesome if they backported (at least some) of the QoL things to "legacy" D2:R, but again, some people do not want any changes that alter the core of the game (and rune stacking certainly does that, as it eliminates a lot of the stash tetris, which some argue is a core part of the game). This separation was the only way to make it possible to for people to choose. Was the price tag right for this? We're never going to agree here - some say yes, some say no.
Some like the new and some like the old. BOTH ARE FINE WITH ME.
Like I said before, this is my take and I dont like it. If you like it - THAT IS VERY COOL.
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