cheap runewords

I've always played Diablo 2, but now I'm doing a lot of runs looking for items for my warlock, wanting to get rich before I turn 30, LoL.

I see that the cheaper runewords like Spirit really hinder trading because 90% of the unique items become useless. I believe that perhaps an effective game balancing would be to remove such runic words, especially where there are options like weapons. Spirit on shields is still a good choice, or perhaps the inclusion of new unique items.

I think this would be an interesting topic if considered for a patch, but I also think it's kind of purist, because I see some trades where 70 Jah are offered, nothing convinces me that this isn't a bot product. What are your opinions on these runewords?

mana and stamina management at low level is not fun gameplay IMO. It was novel at first, but after leveling a ton of characters it becomes a huge issue.

Spirit alleviates this while providing a useful item to level with. I don't think it's OP at all. It's EXTREMELY good but it's easily replaceable by a lot of items. even if you nerfed it to 1 skill it would still be extremely good all the way until end game farming.

edfcsx wrote: 6 months ago

I've always played Diablo 2, but now I'm doing a lot of runs looking for items for my warlock, wanting to get rich before I turn 30, LoL.

I see that the cheaper runewords like Spirit really hinder trading because 90% of the unique items become useless. I believe that perhaps an effective game balancing would be to remove such runic words, especially where there are options like weapons. Spirit on shields is still a good choice, or perhaps the inclusion of new unique items.

I think this would be an interesting topic if considered for a patch, but I also think it's kind of purist, because I see some trades where 70 Jah are offered, nothing convinces me that this isn't a bot product. What are your opinions on these runewords?

there is only 1 thing I remember can reach 70 Jah in runewords.
Grief perfect roll...All runewords, even perfect Grief, is very hard to achieve 70 Jah. because you can make it in cheap way.

Some balance thing, it is depends, I think you may be play new content. If it remove things based on usefulness .
The extreme result is to remove everything but only keep warlock and new create runewords. This is because even with best old equipment , it cant beat soso-good equipped new content.

The mostly likely is to create more contents similar to old things . Some player like me will use very rare used runewords to play. It is for fun...

Some runewords are a little OP, but there would be a backlash if Blizzard were to remove those like Spirit and Insight. There are a number of ways to build Wealth besides rich drops if you're willing to work for it and pick up some Warlock gear along the way. For instance if you get good at Key farming, they will get you some high runes. Also farming keys will get you some rune drops. It's quite common for The Countess to drop Fal, Lem, and Pul runes, and not too uncommon for her to drop Um and Mal as well as an occasional Ist. Also collect P gems, and some collectible low level runes such as Ral and Hel, because in large groups they will also net you some decent runes.

If you're curious about how well these items are trading for, check the current and historical trade prices here on the forum.


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Spectie wrote: 6 months ago

mana and stamina management at low level is not fun gameplay IMO. It was novel at first, but after leveling a ton of characters it becomes a huge issue.

Spirit alleviates this while providing a useful item to level with. I don't think it's OP at all. It's EXTREMELY good but it's easily replaceable by a lot of items. even if you nerfed it to 1 skill it would still be extremely good all the way until end game farming.

I hadn't thought about the stamina issue; it gets boring after a while.

leox wrote: 6 months ago

edfcsx wrote: 6 months ago

I've always played Diablo 2, but now I'm doing a lot of runs looking for items for my warlock, wanting to get rich before I turn 30, LoL.

I see that the cheaper runewords like Spirit really hinder trading because 90% of the unique items become useless. I believe that perhaps an effective game balancing would be to remove such runic words, especially where there are options like weapons. Spirit on shields is still a good choice, or perhaps the inclusion of new unique items.

I think this would be an interesting topic if considered for a patch, but I also think it's kind of purist, because I see some trades where 70 Jah are offered, nothing convinces me that this isn't a bot product. What are your opinions on these runewords?

there is only 1 thing I remember can reach 70 Jah in runewords.
Grief perfect roll...All runewords, even perfect Grief, is very hard to achieve 70 Jah. because you can make it in cheap way.

Some balance thing, it is depends, I think you may be play new content. If it remove things based on usefulness .
The extreme result is to remove everything but only keep warlock and new create runewords. This is because even with best old equipment , it cant beat soso-good equipped new content.

The mostly likely is to create more contents similar to old things . Some player like me will use very rare used runewords to play. It is for fun...

That's not exactly it, but some cheap runewords overshadow some unique items that are very good. It really comes down to each player's choice; I was only thinking about the market, but I see that it would actually affect the fun.

Blizzard doesn't usually nerf items anymore. They did back in the 1.07 through 1.10 days, but that quickly creates a 2-tiered player base. Those who got the items before the nerf, and those who got them after the nerf. Those who were late to the game will either have to pay massive amounts of Jah to get the pre-nerf versions or simply play knowing they got screwed. Biggest example is all the 1.08 Unique items that got nerfed in 1.09.
Spirit is one of those runewords that is part of many end-game builds. It actually allows people without much Wealth to have at least one end game item that isn't hard to get. Nerfing Spirit would make it even more difficult for new/broke players to compete.
As Schnorki pointed out in the Mosaic topic, its actually best Blizzard didn't nerf it for this exact reason. Otherwise it would have created that two-tier player base.
Its like climbing the ladder and then pulling it up behind you.

Counter example is Arkin's valor today.

All old version dead.

And...basically, 1.0x is yesterday blizzard.

D2R is new blizzard, all things, people, team, investor, ceo are different now. It is recreate new game.