(Physical) Spearzon

I still don't understand why javelins are being mentioned in this thread. This thread is about spearazons. Javelins are not spears as far as the character subclass nomenclature is concerned.

That was more about

Jab skill than the weapon.

I guess to offer a more detailed opinion to the OP about what base to make BotD I can offer some Insight about the attack speed difference. Against 3+ monsters you will be using

Fend. Maybe even against 2 monsters. Your single target attack

Jab/

Impale the attack speed isn’t as important.

For

Fend the first hit and the last hit are always slower than the “middle” hits. The fastest you can get the “middle” hits to is 3 frames. With 60 ias for BotD, a

Pike would need 39 more ias from the rest of your gear and the

Matriarchal Spear doesn’t need any

For

Jab, I’m guessing a 21 frame attack is 7 frames for each of the 3 hits? At 18 frames 6 per hit?

I guess in my opinion the major difference would be getting the 39 ias for

Fend when using the

Pike.

I don’t recommend a

War Pike since it’s less Zon like lol and the Amazon is my favorite character but it does do more damage but less Attack Rating from the skills

With fanatism you can even reach 2/3 frames for middle attack:
attackspeed.php?char=Amazon&data=0-0-Ma ... -0-0-0-0-0

Another question regarding stat bonuses:

A

War Pike will get 1.0 str bonus, while the

Matriarchal Pike will get 0.8 str + 0.5 dex bonus. I assume that in a standard setup an Ama's dex is as high (die to requirements) or even higher (to increase AR) than her str, so the stats based ed bonus should be higher for a

Matriarchal Pike.

Is the stat base ed bonus calculated as on weapon or off weapon ed?

"off weapon ed"
from https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/

vued wrote: 1 week ago

Is the stat base ed bonus calculated as on weapon or off weapon ed?

vued wrote: 1 week ago

With fanatism you can even reach 2/3 frames for middle attack:
attackspeed.php?char=Amazon&data=0-0-Ma ... -0-0-0-0-0

Thank you for pointing that out. I rechecked the calculator I used and didn’t even realize that even a level 1 fanatacism from a Hustle on the mercenary is not too difficult for the

Spear. I was so used to using the

Pike I overlooked that breakpoint. But even a bow mercenary with

Fanaticism would work too. I forget the maximum number of “middle hits” but when completely surrounded it adds up quick taking 1 frame away

fredkid wrote: 1 week ago

"off weapon ed"
from https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/
image.png

vued wrote: 1 week ago

Is the stat base ed bonus calculated as on weapon or off weapon ed?

I think the more offhand ED you have (might, Fortitude,

Laying of Hands) the

War Pike wins on damage.

But if you are using less offhand ED like if you are wearing Enigma and not using Might on mercenary, perhaps a Sword Barb with Hustle and Lawbringer? Then I think there is a threshold that the attribute and +skill bonus is higher but one would have to crunch some numbers. In my case I used the only Ethereal base I already had access to, both when I made a BotD online and offline

Hustle gives just L1

Fanaticism which have a very short range, and is very hard to stay in range if you are not "babysitting" your Merc or Teleporting frequently...
I gave up the ideia of Hustle on Merc after some tries with my Furry Druid....

But a Act 1 Merc with Faith has a way bigger

Fanaticism range (I have no problem in keeping in range with my Double Throwing Barbarian)

Marrrkk333 wrote: 1 week ago

vued wrote: 1 week ago

With fanatism you can even reach 2/3 frames for middle attack:
attackspeed.php?char=Amazon&data=0-0-Ma ... -0-0-0-0-0

Thank you for pointing that out. I rechecked the calculator I used and didn’t even realize that even a level 1 fanatacism from a Hustle on the mercenary is not too difficult for the

Spear. I was so used to using the

Pike I overlooked that breakpoint. But even a bow mercenary with

Fanaticism would work too. I forget the maximum number of “middle hits” but when completely surrounded it adds up quick taking 1 frame away

If I understood your point correctly
No.

A "hard hitting weapon" that is worse than a "light hitting weapon" will not becomes better than the "ligh hitting weapon" with just more off-weapon %ed...


The point is that any increase in "off-weapon % ed" will increase your "damage per second" by same percentage independently of the weapon. So if before the faster weapon gives you more damage per second, with more "%ed" the faster weapon will continue to give your more damage.

Ex:
you upgrade
from +200% off-weapon % ed (so you deal 300%)
To +500% off-weapon % ed (so you deal 600%)

You will double your "damage per second" independently of the weapon speed or "base damage"

Marrrkk333 wrote: 1 week ago

fredkid wrote: 1 week ago

"off weapon ed"
from https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/
image.png

vued wrote: 1 week ago

Is the stat base ed bonus calculated as on weapon or off weapon ed?

I think the more offhand ED you have (might, Fortitude,

Laying of Hands) the

War Pike wins on damage.

But if you are using less offhand ED like if you are wearing Enigma and not using Might on mercenary, perhaps a Sword Barb with Hustle and Lawbringer? Then I think there is a threshold that the attribute and +skill bonus is higher but one would have to crunch some numbers. In my case I used the only Ethereal base I already had access to, both when I made a BotD online and offline

fredkid wrote: 1 week ago

Hustle gives just L1

Fanaticism which have a very short range, and is very hard to stay in range if you are not "babysitting" your Merc or Teleporting frequently...
I gave up the ideia of Hustle on Merc after some tries with my Furry Druid....

But a Act 1 Merc with Faith has a way bigger

Fanaticism range (I have no problem in keeping in range with my Double Throwing Barbarian)

Marrrkk333 wrote: 1 week ago

vued wrote: 1 week ago

With fanatism you can even reach 2/3 frames for middle attack:
attackspeed.php?char=Amazon&data=0-0-Ma ... -0-0-0-0-0

Thank you for pointing that out. I rechecked the calculator I used and didn’t even realize that even a level 1 fanatacism from a Hustle on the mercenary is not too difficult for the

Spear. I was so used to using the

Pike I overlooked that breakpoint. But even a bow mercenary with

Fanaticism would work too. I forget the maximum number of “middle hits” but when completely surrounded it adds up quick taking 1 frame away

Yes the range is very small that is why I guess I never paid much attention to the higher breakpoints. Even though I had a BotD I was relatively poor that Ladder season and opted to not trade for a Reaper’s Toll and used Lawbringer/Hustle and Hustle on my own weapon swap since I didn’t even bother trying to make a Cta. I don’t play nonladder much and all my Runes went mostly towards gearing multiple characters just to make them playable

I also play on Switch and trading is a bit harder due to lack of players

The real problem with a melee Spearzon is keeping up with other players.

Teleport definitely helps but staying close range to monsters before ranged characters kill them can sometimes lead to “following “ the crowd

I will say that there is a far smaller chance that your party will bring

Fanaticism to the table vs Might. Might is standard mercenary setup so you are very likely to get more auras in the party. This is the same reason I had Hustle on swap for

Burst of Speed. Someone has

Battle Orders?

But yeah lvl 1

Fanaticism is probably better for soloing

fredkid wrote: 1 week ago

If I understood your point correctly
No.

A "hard hitting weapon" that is worse than a "light hitting weapon" will not becomes better than the "ligh hitting weapon" with just more off-weapon %ed...


The point is that any increase in "off-weapon % ed" will increase your "damage per second" by same percentage independently of the weapon. So if before the faster weapon gives you more damage per second, with more "%ed" the faster weapon will continue to give your more damage.

Ex:
you upgrade
from +200% off-weapon % ed (so you deal 300%)
To +500% off-weapon % ed (so you deal 600%)

You will double your "damage per second" independently of the weapon speed or "base damage"

Marrrkk333 wrote: 1 week ago

fredkid wrote: 1 week ago

"off weapon ed"
from https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/
image.png

I think the more offhand ED you have (might, Fortitude,

Laying of Hands) the

War Pike wins on damage.

But if you are using less offhand ED like if you are wearing Enigma and not using Might on mercenary, perhaps a Sword Barb with Hustle and Lawbringer? Then I think there is a threshold that the attribute and +skill bonus is higher but one would have to crunch some numbers. In my case I used the only Ethereal base I already had access to, both when I made a BotD online and offline

200 * 1.5 =300
180 * 1.6 =288


Off hand Ed is based off BASE damage.

Matriarchal Pike is lower base damage but higher offhand damage %

Didn't understand your calculation...
(What do each of those number mean? )

Are You talking about the off-weapon damage from attributes?
The same attributes (dex/str) will give different amounts of off-weapon damage to each weapon type. (Ok)
But you have to consider a optimal distribution of attribute points for each weapon when comparing them

And skills and equipment off-weapon damage applies equally to all weapons.

So a 200% ed might will give 200% off-weapon damage to any weapon.

Marrrkk333 wrote: 1 week ago

fredkid wrote: 1 week ago

If I understood your point correctly
No.

A "hard hitting weapon" that is worse than a "light hitting weapon" will not becomes better than the "ligh hitting weapon" with just more off-weapon %ed...


The point is that any increase in "off-weapon % ed" will increase your "damage per second" by same percentage independently of the weapon. So if before the faster weapon gives you more damage per second, with more "%ed" the faster weapon will continue to give your more damage.

Ex:
you upgrade
from +200% off-weapon % ed (so you deal 300%)
To +500% off-weapon % ed (so you deal 600%)

You will double your "damage per second" independently of the weapon speed or "base damage"

Marrrkk333 wrote: 1 week ago

I think the more offhand ED you have (might, Fortitude,

Laying of Hands) the

War Pike wins on damage.

But if you are using less offhand ED like if you are wearing Enigma and not using Might on mercenary, perhaps a Sword Barb with Hustle and Lawbringer? Then I think there is a threshold that the attribute and +skill bonus is higher but one would have to crunch some numbers. In my case I used the only Ethereal base I already had access to, both when I made a BotD online and offline

200 * 1.5 =300
180 * 1.6 =288


Off hand Ed is based off BASE damage.

Matriarchal Pike is lower base damage but higher offhand damage %