Jewels and understanding them.

Does anyone else have a really hard time understanding what kinds of jewels are worth a good bit? i have 2 mules full of gems just kinda sitting there. Obv the 15 IAS jewels are worth something, but I dont know how to value any of the others, really. If there is a good resource you'd like to share that helps me (and hopefully others) what to look for if they're valuable, which ones may be used for crafting fodder, etc. Thanks a lot.

if you can say why something is valuable or not, that helps, too.

Probably the only thing I can add is that flat damage bonus jewels can nerf your damage if paired with a %ED jewel so those aren't as valuable as one might expect. Bowa on Youtube made a couple of videos covering the topic.

Sorry that I don't have a specific resource for determining valuable ones though.

Daydreamed Bear wrote: 2 days ago

Probably the only thing I can add is that flat damage bonus jewels can nerf your damage if paired with a %ED jewel so those aren't as valuable as one might expect. Bowa on Youtube made a couple of videos covering the topic.

Sorry that I don't have a specific resource for determining valuable ones though.

Do they work correctly when the 2 bonus types is on the same jewel?

FULCRUM75 wrote: 2 days ago

Daydreamed Bear wrote: 2 days ago

Probably the only thing I can add is that flat damage bonus jewels can nerf your damage if paired with a %ED jewel so those aren't as valuable as one might expect. Bowa on Youtube made a couple of videos covering the topic.

Sorry that I don't have a specific resource for determining valuable ones though.

Do they work correctly when the 2 bonus types is on the same jewel?

If they're on a weapon they work fine regardless of the mods being on the same jewel or not. If they're socketed into anything else they'll nerf your damage even if they're on the same jewel.

The bug is a little more complex...

If I'm remembering correctly , it happen when the item and the jewel together have both % ed and max/min (may happen when jewel have both or jewel have one and item have the other - or two jewels....)

FULCRUM75 wrote: 2 days ago

Daydreamed Bear wrote: 2 days ago

Probably the only thing I can add is that flat damage bonus jewels can nerf your damage if paired with a %ED jewel so those aren't as valuable as one might expect. Bowa on Youtube made a couple of videos covering the topic.

Sorry that I don't have a specific resource for determining valuable ones though.

Do they work correctly when the 2 bonus types is on the same jewel?

But about the initial question:

The jewel need to have both a useful suffix and a useful prefix to be really valuable

Some general useful affixes: max, min, % ed, resists, ias, str, dex

You can search on the historical price with the correct name of the magic jewel on: Trade \ Price Check (price-check/)
In the case of rare ones (or if you don't find a similar on historical prices) you may ask a suggestion: Trade \ Price Check (price-check/) -> "Request a price" button

fredkid wrote: 2 days ago

Some general useful affixes: max, min, % ed, resists, ias, str, dex

Agreed, those are the main ones. To add to that, out of those that have variable ranges, the affix needs to roll the highest group to stand a chance. For magic jewel prefixes, nobody wants a Realgar jewel (21-30% ED) because Ruby (31-40%) is what's desired. Realgar only has value on a rare jewel.

Keepa wrote: 2 days ago

Does anyone else have a really hard time understanding what kinds of jewels are worth a good bit? i have 2 mules full of gems just kinda sitting there. Obv the 15 IAS jewels are worth something, but I dont know how to value any of the others, really. If there is a good resource you'd like to share that helps me (and hopefully others) what to look for if they're valuable, which ones may be used for crafting fodder, etc. Thanks a lot.

if you can say why something is valuable or not, that helps, too.

https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/i ... wels.shtml

You can begin to see that rather than prefixes and suffixes, we mentally categorize affixes as primary and secondary. A Ruby (ED) Jewel of Fervor has two strong primary affixes. Whether an affix is better classified as primary or secondary can be answered by whether you would be remotely interested in putting a jewel that came with just that one affix into an item socket.

Situationally with the right buyer, certain less popular affixes may be desired, but those tend to be niche cases. I've had times where I could have found Aureolic (+1-3 mana after each kill) or of Freedom (-15% requirements) useful as the secondary affix, but such jewels would need a strong primary affix to actually be worth something. I would not have been interested in an Aureolic Jewel of Freedom under any circumstances.

For a couple more examples, something that flies under the radar that I sought out and acquired a couple of years ago was a Vermilion Jewel of Carnage (+30 max damage). ED is way more popular as a physical damage modifier, but a strong max damage jewel has its place.

Also, I prefer 30% fire resist jewels to

Ral runes, but that's because I don't want my magic/rare/set/unique socketed items to show the name of the runes. This scenario is exactly what I encountered to zero out the negative fire resists on

Andariel's Visage. By extension, you may see why a Ruby (30% fire resist) Jewel of Fervor is actually very valuable. For many of those who are willing to pay, that's the #1 jewel to put into the best ethereal

Andariel's Visage rolls.

Most affix combinations are worthless crafting fodder though.

fredkid wrote: 2 days ago

But about the initial question:

The jewel need to have both a useful suffix and a useful prefix to be really valuable

Some general useful affixes: max, min, % ed, resists, ias, str, dex

You can search on the historical price with the correct name of the magic jewel on: Trade \ Price Check (price-check/)
In the case of rare ones (or if you don't find a similar on historical prices) you may ask a suggestion: Trade \ Price Check (price-check/) -> "Request a price" button

good info. like i was looking at some of the jewels for sale on here right now and seeing a 30 fire res 9 str jewel get high rune offers just kinda blew my mind. not that it isn't <worth> that, I just didn't know it was. seems so insane.

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 days ago

fredkid wrote: 2 days ago

Some general useful affixes: max, min, % ed, resists, ias, str, dex

Agreed, those are the main ones. To add to that, out of those that have variable ranges, the affix needs to roll the highest group to stand a chance. For magic jewel prefixes, nobody wants a Realgar jewel (21-30% ED) because Ruby (31-40%) is what's desired. Realgar only has value on a rare jewel.

Keepa wrote: 2 days ago

Does anyone else have a really hard time understanding what kinds of jewels are worth a good bit? i have 2 mules full of gems just kinda sitting there. Obv the 15 IAS jewels are worth something, but I dont know how to value any of the others, really. If there is a good resource you'd like to share that helps me (and hopefully others) what to look for if they're valuable, which ones may be used for crafting fodder, etc. Thanks a lot.

if you can say why something is valuable or not, that helps, too.

https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/i ... wels.shtml

You can begin to see that rather than prefixes and suffixes, we mentally categorize affixes as primary and secondary. A Ruby (ED) Jewel of Fervor has two strong primary affixes. Whether an affix is better classified as primary or secondary can be answered by whether you would be remotely interested in putting a jewel that came with just that one affix into an item socket.

Situationally with the right buyer, certain less popular affixes may be desired, but those tend to be niche cases. I've had times where I could have found Aureolic (+1-3 mana after each kill) or of Freedom (-15% requirements) useful as the secondary affix, but such jewels would need a strong primary affix to actually be worth something. I would not have been interested in an Aureolic Jewel of Freedom under any circumstances.

For a couple more examples, something that flies under the radar that I sought out and acquired a couple of years ago was a Vermilion Jewel of Carnage (+30 max damage). ED is way more popular as a physical damage modifier, but a strong max damage jewel has its place.

Also, I prefer 30% fire resist jewels to

Ral runes, but that's because I don't want my magic/rare/set/unique socketed items to show the name of the runes. This scenario is exactly what I encountered to zero out the negative fire resists on

Andariel's Visage. By extension, you may see why a Ruby (30% fire resist) Jewel of Fervor is actually very valuable. For many of those who are willing to pay, that's the #1 jewel to put into the best ethereal

Andariel's Visage rolls.

Most affix combinations are worthless crafting fodder though.

gotcha. this is the exact info i was looking to find. appreciate it.

Keepa wrote: 2 days ago

good info. like i was looking at some of the jewels for sale on here right now and seeing a 30 fire res 9 str jewel get high rune offers just kinda blew my mind. not that it isn't <worth> that, I just didn't know it was. seems so insane.

30% fire resist and 9 strength are also both perfect rolls, so keep that in mind too. Perfection comes at a premium. I can't say for sure if that jewel would have been destined for an

Andariel's Visage as well, but 30% fire resist plus anything that increases physical damage will have an audience because of that helm. 15% IAS is usually the most desirable, but if that won't get the character or merc over the next IAS breakpoint, then other DPS modifiers become more intriguing.

Snakecharmed wrote: 2 days ago

Keepa wrote: 2 days ago

good info. like i was looking at some of the jewels for sale on here right now and seeing a 30 fire res 9 str jewel get high rune offers just kinda blew my mind. not that it isn't <worth> that, I just didn't know it was. seems so insane.

30% fire resist and 9 strength are also both perfect rolls, so keep that in mind too. Perfection comes at a premium. I can't say for sure if that jewel would have been destined for an

Andariel's Visage as well, but 30% fire resist plus anything that increases physical damage will have an audience because of that helm. 15% IAS is usually the most desirable, but if that won't get the character or merc over the next IAS breakpoint, then other DPS modifiers become more intriguing.

it's novel, but changing the thought process to find applicable means in popular/generally good things makes sense. just needed a perspective change.

For all jewels you want a good prefix and suffix. Any jewel with a single affix won't ever get you more than an

Ist (maybe even less, its been a while since I checked.)

For blue jewels look for ones with a pair of the following, for yellow jewels look for at least 4 of the following:

The closer to perfect the better. If the desired affix roll is less than 75% of max of the affix it wont be worth much of anything. Within 90% of max you will see some great value.

Enhanced Dmg
-15 Req
15IAS
All Res
Attack Rating
7 FHR
Mana
Life
Max Dmg
Min Dmg
Str
Dex
Single Res

Pay attention to the level requirement of your jewels.

Jewels with a level req of 30 or less can also be valuable. Just because you find a jewel that is 40ar(100ar is max on a jewel)/9max(14 is max as a single affix) dmg, for example, doesn't mean its junk. Its a Rusty Jewel of Wrath and it's great for LLD within the level 9 bracket. Its worth HRs.

Flat dmg (Adds x-y damage, not showing a min or max) and the adds 20 poison dmg (the one with no level requirement) are also valuable affixes for LLD.

For yellow lvl 9 jewels, the following is what you're comparing your jewels to. This is what you want (but will realistically never find)

20% ed
40 attack rating (OR: +10 mana, or 15 to a single resist)
14 max damage
10 life
15% requirements

EDIT:
Note 1: I did not include the variable affix ranges, because the ranges depend on the affix. For example, the ed max and range for a level 18 jewel will be different than the overall max ed that is possible. I do not want people to think that just because ed rolled at 20% that the jewel isn't valuable. It all depends on the level req of the jewel.

Note 2: Certain blue affix ranges are not possible on yellow jewels. 40 is overall max ed for blue jewels, but its 30 for yellow.

Note that some attributes can be both pre- and suffix, e.g. min and max dam.
If you have max dam prefix and max dam suffix, that can be very valuable, esp. in LLD. Keep this in mind when counting valuable affixes.
And always double check the lvl requirements. You might find a hidden jewel in all the junk (pun intended).

Great thread, love you guys!

Knappogue wrote: 2 days ago

For all jewels you want a good prefix and suffix. Any jewel with a single affix won't ever get you more than an

Ist (maybe even less, its been a while since I checked.)

For blue jewels look for ones with a pair of the following, for yellow jewels look for at least 4 of the following:

The closer to perfect the better. If the desired affix roll is less than 75% of max of the affix it wont be worth much of anything. Within 90% of max you will see some great value.

Enhanced Dmg
-15 Req
15IAS
All Res
Attack Rating
7 FHR
Mana
Life
Max Dmg
Min Dmg
Str
Dex
Single Res

Pay attention to the level requirement of your jewels.

Jewels with a level req of 30 or less can also be valuable. Just because you find a jewel that is 40ar(100ar is max on a jewel)/9max(14 is max as a single affix) dmg, for example, doesn't mean its junk. Its a Rusty Jewel of Wrath and it's great for LLD within the level 9 bracket. Its worth HRs.

Flat dmg (Adds x-y damage, not showing a min or max) and the adds 20 poison dmg (the one with no level requirement) are also valuable affixes for LLD.

For yellow lvl 9 jewels, the following is what you're comparing your jewels to. This is what you want (but will realistically never find)

20% ed
40 attack rating (OR: +10 mana, or 15 to a single resist)
14 max damage
10 life
15% requirements

EDIT:
Note 1: I did not include the variable affix ranges, because the ranges depend on the affix. For example, the ed max and range for a level 18 jewel will be different than the overall max ed that is possible. I do not want people to think that just because ed rolled at 20% that the jewel isn't valuable. It all depends on the level req of the jewel.

Note 2: Certain blue affix ranges are not possible on yellow jewels. 40 is overall max ed for blue jewels, but its 30 for yellow.

insanely good answers and explanations. thank you so much.

Check coooley on YouTube. He made a good video about jewel

I would make this list:
1) 15%IAS + 20+FR
2) 15%IAS + 10+all res
3) 15%IAS + 30%+ ED
4) 30%+ ED + x STR
5 ) 15% IAS + 5+ to Max Damage
6) 15% IAS + (-15% requirements)

In my opinion these combinations make a jewel with excelent value