Do "Baal's waves" have crap drops or I'm just unlucky"? 🤔

Hi

I've done a good amount of "

Baal's runs" and while I had some good drops from

Baal itself and from the regular monsters on the way (

Worldstone Keep Level 2,

Worldstone Keep Level 3 and

Throne of Destruction);
the monsters on the "

Baal's Waves", that should be the "mid-bosses", seem to have a worse drop table than the regular monsters on the way (can't remember they dropping runes a single time to me, or any remembrable drop )

Same here not much from the

Baal waves too

A little of both.

I've gotten plenty of solid drops off of them. If you're not seeing any, you're just being unlucky.

However, do keep in mind that they are actually comparatively few mobs on an annoyingly long spawn timer/with forced breaks in between waves. As a result, your actual drops over time on them are rather crap, simply because the spawn delay forces you into fairly low kills/time. That's probably a large part of why they seem so bad even though they technically aren't on a per-mob basis.

Make sense

Being more objective:
So, do the

Megademon /

Greater Mummy on the

Baal's wave and the regular ones that may appear on

Throne of Destruction have similar drop tables?

Schnorki wrote: 3 days ago

A little of both.

I've gotten plenty of solid drops off of them. If you're not seeing any, you're just being unlucky.

However, do keep in mind that they are actually comparatively few mobs on an annoyingly long spawn timer/with forced breaks in between waves. As a result, your actual drops over time on them are rather crap, simply because the spawn delay forces you into fairly low kills/time. That's probably a large part of why they seem so bad even though they technically aren't on a per-mob basis.

A few days ago, the second

Jah I found ever.
I think it was the first wave, of

Colenzo the Annihilator.

Schnorki wrote: 3 days ago

A little of both.

I've gotten plenty of solid drops off of them. If you're not seeing any, you're just being unlucky.

However, do keep in mind that they are actually comparatively few mobs on an annoyingly long spawn timer/with forced breaks in between waves. As a result, your actual drops over time on them are rather crap, simply because the spawn delay forces you into fairly low kills/time. That's probably a large part of why they seem so bad even though they technically aren't on a per-mob basis.

Came to say the same. Ball waves have a lot of waiting, so it will seem slower than killing 958690581796875 low mobs in p8 cows or Chaos in like <30 seconds.

Maybe exaggerating a little.

fredkid wrote:

Make sense

Being more objective:
So, do the

Megademon /

Greater Mummy on the

Baal's wave and the regular ones that may appear on

Throne of Destruction have similar drop tables?

Couldn't you use like Silospen or some other drop calculator and just hover over for the entry to see the Treasure Class or something? Then you'd still have to find out what's in that treasure class.

Terror Zones will change monster levels and can potentially raise TCs.

Good idea

using
Maxroll Drop Calculator
and looking the chance to drop a

Titan's Revenge
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2-drop-calculato ... ,unique281

Seem like the Uniques from "

Baal's Wave" have the same drop table of a Champion of the same type

Pit Lord (

Throne of Destruction) 1:928 483 [Normal/White]
Pit Lord (

Throne of Destruction) 1:54 648 [Champion/Blue]
Pit Lord (

Throne of Destruction) 1:21 614 [Unique/Gold]
...

Ventar the Unholy 1:54 648

Horadrim Ancient (

Throne of Destruction) 1:990 382 [Normal/White]
Horadrim Ancient (

Throne of Destruction) 1:54 648 [Champion/Blue]
Horadrim Ancient (

Throne of Destruction) 1:21 614 [Unique/Gold]
...

Achmel the Cursed 1:54 648

If this is correct, it explain the feeling that the "

Baal's Wave" have bad drops... you think that you are killing 5 Uniques, but are in fact killing 5 Champions (with golden names)

SkullScythe wrote: 3 days ago

fredkid wrote:

Make sense

Being more objective:
So, do the

Megademon /

Greater Mummy on the

Baal's wave and the regular ones that may appear on

Throne of Destruction have similar drop tables?

Couldn't you use like Silospen or some other drop calculator and just hover over for the entry to see the Treasure Class or something? Then you'd still have to find out what's in that treasure class.

Terror Zones will change monster levels and can potentially raise TCs.

Hmm. That's odd. I thought the named Uniques (Super Uniques) usually had a slightly higher rate of dropping things, usually? But maybe not.

Well, they do drop a lot of experience at least.

Same here. Always crap.
Crap loot since LoD

SkullScythe wrote: 3 days ago

Hmm. That's odd. I thought the named Uniques (Super Uniques) usually had a slightly higher rate of dropping things, usually? But maybe not.

Usually yes, but the baalwave monsters are special, they do drop like champions. They CAN drop gg stuff up to

Zod, but chances are not very good. Did you notice that they don't automatically drop magic gear like all uniques do?

Hmm, I guess I've never really noticed.

I farm

Baal waves for potions.

seansixsixsix wrote: 2 days ago

I farm

Baal waves for potions.

so when the waves are dead you exit game and make new to farm them again )

jokes aside, when they dont drop loot more or better than other champs i would put that inthe categori of dropping bad loot since you have to wait for them to spawn.

looking at lister's unique drop chance, 150mf 1 player, most and least likely drops:

Venom Ward 1 in 9,542

Tyrael's Might 1 in 1,399,385

so lister can drop anything (?), but terrible rates...

The glass-half-full approach is that you are mostly farming

Baal. And you have a bonus opportunity for a decent drop, and good xp, from killing his minions