Why do Perfect Skull are more valuable them generic Perfect Gems on trades?

When people use gems on trades they usually evaluate

Perfect Amethyst,

Perfect Ruby and

Perfect Skull higher than the other gems.


I know that

Perfect Amethyst and

Perfect Ruby are more valuable because the demand for craft Caster and Blood itens and the "add socket to weapon/shield" formulas.


But I don't understand why

Perfect Skull is more valuable too...


Is it because the "re-roll rare" formula?

I thought that this formula did not worth...

(I think that it would be "cheaper" to Gamble a rare - and it will always be of your level...)

People (including me) use perfect skulls to re-roll rare diadems. Someone smarter than me can explain the 'why' but essentially diadems have some special property that their ilvl doesn't decrease enough to go down below the threshold to roll with +2 skills, when re-rolling them.

Now make sense...

Circlets have "level bonus" on the affixes.
https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/i ... lets.shtml

Didn't realize that the "level bonus" from

Diadem (18) is enought to enable the higher affixes with that formula.

But, if my calculations are right...

You can't use any

Diadem to get +2 to skill with the formula

You will need a

Diadem with "base item level" = 180 - "your level"
(180 * .4 + 18 = 90)

And

Diadem may drop with +2 to skill since "base item level" 72 (90 - 18)

So if you are at level 90, you should use a

Diadem that dropped from a level 90+ monster (some bosses or

Terror zone only....)

I'm pretty sure you can re-roll any diadems. A

Diadem with ilvl 1 will still have affix level of 99. It has such a high qlvl that re-rolling doesn't decrease the types of affixes it can roll with. Diadems are unique in this case.

Finally found where I read this!
base/diadem-t1510.html

Knappogue wrote: 5 months ago

Finally found where I read this!
base/diadem-t1510.html

Would it be worth spending time and resources on re-rolling this

Tiara? It's been dropped by a non-TZ

Lord De Seis. Asking as I've never done cubing of rare items even in LoD for obvious reasons.

fredkid wrote: 5 months ago

You will need a

Diadem with "base item level" = 180 - "your level"
(180 * .4 + 18 = 90)

You are forgetting the qLvl (quality level). Each item has a quality level that is predetermined (based on the item type) and it doesn't matter where it dropped or what you do with the item. If an item has a qLvl higher than its iLvl then the possible affixes are determined based on its qLvl instead of the iLvl. And since

Diadem has a qLvl 85 and a magic level bonus of +18, all Diadems can have any affix regardless of its iLvl. Even if a

Diadem's iLvl is 1, all affixes are still possible due to the high qLvl on it and the magic level bonus (the affix level will be 85+18 = 103).

bigbikefan wrote: 5 months ago

Would it be worth spending time and resources on re-rolling this

Tiara? It's been dropped by a non-TZ

Lord De Seis. Asking as I've never done cubing of rare items even in LoD for obvious reasons.

Not really.

Tiara have qLvl 70 and magic level bonus +13, so by re-rolling it it will fall down to affix level 83 (70+13), so not all affixes are possible.

ShadowHeart wrote: 5 months ago

fredkid wrote: 5 months ago

You will need a

Diadem with "base item level" = 180 - "your level"
(180 * .4 + 18 = 90)

You are forgetting the qLvl (quality level). Each item has a quality level that is predetermined (based on the item type) and it doesn't matter where it dropped or what you do with the item. If an item has a qLvl higher than its iLvl then the possible affixes are determined based on its qLvl instead of the iLvl. And since

Diadem has a qLvl 85 and a magic level bonus of +18, all Diadems can have any affix regardless of its iLvl. Even if a

Diadem's iLvl is 1, all affixes are still possible due to the high qLvl on it and the magic level bonus (the affix level will be 85+18 = 103).

Thank you for explaining it better than I could! I tried, but it came out confusing and uninformed...lol

bigbikefan wrote: 5 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 5 months ago

Finally found where I read this!
base/diadem-t1510.html

Would it be worth spending time and resources on re-rolling this

Tiara? It's been dropped by a non-TZ

Lord De Seis. Asking as I've never done cubing of rare items even in LoD for obvious reasons.

Seems decent as-is, tbh.

- Hi, for answer you, people usually use it for:
-

Perfect Amethyst = craft

Caster Amulet,
-

Perfect Ruby = craft

Blood Amulet,

Blood Ring,

Blood Gloves,
-

Perfect Skull = reroll a rare

Diadem I-lvl 99 droped per ball,
-

Perfect Gems = reroll a magic charm I-lvl 99 droped per ball,

- about price, ATM:
- 1

Perfect Amethyst = 3

Perfect Gems, (12

Perfect Amethyst = 40

Perfect Gems),
- 1

Perfect Skull = 2,5

Perfect Gems, (15

Perfect Skull = 40

Perfect Gems),
- 1

Perfect Ruby = 2

Perfect Gems, (20

Perfect Ruby = 40

Perfect Gems),

- have a good day.

No love for

Caster Gloves?
No mention of

Hit Power Gloves?

BiS for any elementalzon and javazon, latter BiS for physical bowazon.

It's sad how many people try to get

Blood Gloves instead of

Blood Ring and

Caster Amulet instead of

Caster Gloves. No supply of the truly good stuff.

I'll roll for a

Blood Ring when I finally get my 20ias, 10cb, 30lres, 3ms Uber smiting gloves ^.^

There's another niche case to use PSkulls for rerolling: To get a summoner rare shrnken head. It's a little bit complicated but basicaly you level a char till lvl 11. Use a high level head as imbue quest. Then reroll it with PSkulls. By this way, you can get theoretically +2 necro skills +3

Raise Skeleton and +3

Skeleton Mastery.

I mean, theoretically. I saw an item obtained by this method on Reddit close to this but it i really a long shot and I'm not sure if it is worth.

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

There's another niche case to use PSkulls for rerolling: To get a summoner rare shrnken head. It's a little bit complicated but basicaly you level a char till lvl 11. Use a high level head as imbue quest. Then reroll it with PSkulls. By this way, you can get theoretically +2 necro skills +3

Raise Skeleton and +3

Skeleton Mastery.

I mean, theoretically. I saw an item obtained by this method on Reddit close to this but it i really a long shot and I'm not sure if it is worth.

The problem with reroll anything other that a

Diadem, is that the item ilvl will decrease on each try ... and you need a LOT of tries to get something good....

Diadem because of the
Magic level: 18 + Quality level: 85
will always be able to roll all affixes with this formula no matter how many times you re-roll and no matter your Character level
(even

Tiara was not able to do the same)

But with you want lower level affixes, you can re-roll itens with a Quality level + Magic level equal to what you want.
In the case of a Head with +2 to skill you need Quality level + Magic level= 50+

Hierophant Trophy and any elite Head will be enough (even with a 1 Level character)

(don't understand why level 11 is required on your tip... Quality level + Magic level is a "min effective ilvl", it is not added with other levels, if "resulting ilvl" would be lower than that number that number is used instead.)

Actually even if no Quality level + Magic level you may re-roll infinitely if you start with a high level item and have a high level Character...
L75 character + L50 item -> L50 rare (75 * .4 + 50*.4)

fredkid wrote: 3 months ago

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

There's another niche case to use PSkulls for rerolling: To get a summoner rare shrnken head. It's a little bit complicated but basicaly you level a char till lvl 11. Use a high level head as imbue quest. Then reroll it with PSkulls. By this way, you can get theoretically +2 necro skills +3

Raise Skeleton and +3

Skeleton Mastery.

I mean, theoretically. I saw an item obtained by this method on Reddit close to this but it i really a long shot and I'm not sure if it is worth.

The problem with reroll anything other that a

Diadem, is that the item ilvl will decrease on each try ... and you need a LOT of tries to get something good....

Diadem because of the
Magic level: 18 + Quality level: 85
will always be able to roll all affixes with this formula no matter how many times you re-roll and no matter your Character level
(even

Tiara was not able to do the same)

But with you want lower level affixes, you can re-roll itens with a Quality level + Magic level equal to what you want.
In the case of a Head with +2 to skill you need Quality level + Magic level= 50+

Hierophant Trophy and any elite Head will be enough (even with a 1 Level character)

(don't understand why level 11 is required on your tip... Quality level + Magic level is a "min effective ilvl", it is not added with other levels, if "resulting ilvl" would be lower than that number that number is used instead.)

I'm not really goodat this stuff but here's exactly where I learned that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/commen ... &context=3

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

I'm not really goodat this stuff but here's exactly where I learned that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/commen ... &context=3

From what i understand that "trick" will not work...

It you reroll a item with quality level + magic livel = 50.
The result will be the "same" for any charcater on level 50 or below (even if use the cube to set the ilvl of the item to 1)


Cam someone confirm this?

fredkid wrote: 3 months ago

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 months ago

I'm not really goodat this stuff but here's exactly where I learned that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/commen ... &context=3

From what i understand that "trick" will not work...

It you reroll a item with quality level + magic livel = 50.
The result will be the "same" for any charcater on level 50 or below (even if use the cube to set the ilvl of the item to 1)


Cam someone confirm this?

I actually saw a head like +5 to SM, +5 to RS or similar on Reddit, but not sure if it's legit.